Hertiage Night: Memoryable Threads Speach

[Links to the threads I talked about can be found at the bottom or this post.]

This is what I said at Heritage Night:

Hello, and welcome once again to Heritage Night. Today’s topic is ‘memorable forum threads.’ Now for those of you who don’t know, the forums for this game can be found here: http://mystonline.com/forums. I suggest you check it out. The Myst Online forums were started in 2007 along with the first incarnation of “Myst Online Uru Live.

Over the years, there have been a number of noteworthy threads on the forums. The community and moderators have selected a list of their favourite threads. The name of this thread is ‘Memorable Thread Collection’; it’s found in the Information & Resource Center. Don’t worry because I will give all the URLs on the Heritage Night blog at heritagenight.wordpress.com.

Starting off, I’d like to talk about the ‘Is it More Yet?’ thread. To understand this thread, you have to know what MORE is. MORE or Myst Online Restoration Experiment was a proposal by Cyan to continue URU after the talks of cancellation in 2007. The proposal included new content, easy-to-use tools to allow people to make content, and the return to Cavern for free. While waiting for MORE, people starting ‘writing’ this thread. The thread is 140 pages long and became very silly, which is what made it memorable. The thread was locked around the time when MOULa came out, probably since MOULa (though NOT MORE) is a good enough substitute. I suggest you read a bit of the thread, but it’s not necessary to read through the whole thing. It’s interesting to see how silly a bunch of fans of a very serious game can be.

Ki toons – this a very memorable thread. A user made a bunch of comics (like one finds in the Saturday morning paper) about Cavern life. It’s only 21 pages (mostly comments of how amazing it is) and is definitely worth a look. Though I have to point out that some of the cartoons have minor spoilers and some,

This is what I said at Heritage Night:

Hello, and welcome once again to Heritage Night. Today’s topic is ‘memorable forum threads.’ Now for those of you who don’t know, the forums for this game can be found here: http://mystonline.com/forums. I suggest you check it out. The Myst Online forums were started in 2007 along with the first incarnation of “Myst Online Uru Live.

Over the years, there have been a number of noteworthy threads on the forums. The community and moderators have selected a list of their favourite threads. The name of this thread is ‘Memorable Thread Collection’; it’s found in the Information & Resource Center. Don’t worry because I will give all the URLs on the Heritage Night blog at heritagenight.wordpress.com.

Starting off, I’d like to talk about the ‘Is it More Yet?’ thread. To understand this thread, you have to know what MORE is. MORE or Myst Online Restoration Experiment was a proposal by Cyan to continue URU after the talks of cancellation in 2007. The proposal included new content, easy-to-use tools to allow people to make content, and the return to Cavern for free. While waiting for MORE, people starting ‘writing’ this thread. The thread is 140 pages long and became very silly, which is what made it memorable. The thread was locked around the time when MOULa came out, probably since MOULa (though NOT MORE) is a good enough substitute. I suggest you read a bit of the thread, but it’s not necessary to read through the whole thing. It’s interesting to see how silly a bunch of fans of a very serious game can be.

Ki toons – this a very memorable thread. A user made a bunch of comics (like one finds in the Saturday morning paper) about Cavern life. It’s only 21 pages (mostly comments of how amazing it is) and is definitely worth a look. Though I have to point out that some of the cartoons have minor spoilers and some, sadly, only make sense if you know the 2007 history, but it’s still worth the look.

BOMB in the CITY! Help deactivate it! – earlier this year, I talked about OHB and the BOMB. As a refresher, OHB put one of his ‘robots’ in the cavern who threatened to blow it up. It was up to explorers to solve a puzzle and save the day. The puzzle was posted in this thread. Now it was really fun to see it unfold, but I’m sure it would also be fun to read over. It’s only 9 pages, plus you can try and solve the puzzle before reading the solution.

There are a lot of threads I could put on this list, but only so much time, so I will now talk about three threads with a similar ‘theme’, telling a story.

Surprise in Minkata – The user, Norfren, has made a sort of interactive story. He posts a narration post, followed by ‘player’ posts requesting what to do. Each of Norfren’s posts is accompanied by a high quality render of the age. Throughout the story, hidden stuff is found in the age Minkata. (I won’t say what and spoil the surprise). This story is 67 pages long. While in college, I bookmarked my spot and read through the whole thing during 10 minute breaks. I would read a narration section, decide what I would do, and skip forward to the next narration section. It’s definitely worth your time. Also, there were a couple of interactive sections at the end. After reading through it, I wished that I could make 3D render so I could make my own story. :(

‘Beyond Teladen’ is another story thread (also with its own renders). The author, Guybrush Threepwood, takes us to new, unexplored areas of Teladen. It was in the same vein as ‘Surprise in Minkata’. Unfortunately, Guybrush has gotten busy and the story has ended in the middle.

I didn’t have a forum account in 2007, so I could not participate in ‘Surprise in Minkata,’ but I did participate in ‘Beyond Teladen.’ I had so much fun that I wished it would go on. Later, I realized that I could tell my own story, a text adventure, so I don’t have to make any 3d renders[models]  :). I did this when I wrote ‘Myst: the comedy text-adventure’.

Myst: the comedy text-adventure – This thread is very memorable as well as very funny. The party is sent on a quest to find five crystals, located in five very unique ages. Why a comedy, you might ask. The answer is: since it’s different, fun, and a bit easier (since not everything has to make sense :)) . By the way, my text-adventures made me interested in telling stories, which is one of the things that lead me to taking over Heritage Night.(but I will talk more about that in a future Heritage Night).

Well, that’s it for memorable threads for now. Thanks for listening and thank you and your neighbours for making threads that are memorable in the first place! I will take questions in a moment, but first some bad news related to Heritage Night. At the last AGM, I talked about a ‘play idea’ I had, but the announcement was a bit premature. I hadn’t actually looked at the opening of MOUL(2007), but now that I have and I’ve found that it’s not good (exciting) material for what I want to do.  I’ve shelved the idea for now, sorry. Also, I am a bit busy in the next couple of weeks with ‘summer stuff’, so there may not be a July Heritage Night, as my next event is another ‘Hood Of Illusions’ one.

Ok, at this time, I will take questions now before my BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!

(06/28 15:27:55) Chat.log started…
(06/28 15:28:02)  Acorn1: I asked who the artist was for the comics
(06/28 15:28:07)  JamieWithHNKey: Ok se I will be recoding this part for the blog.
(06/28 15:28:40)  JamieWithHNKey: The KiToons where drawn by Thend.
(06/28 15:28:48)  Acorn1: Thank you
(06/28 15:28:50)  JamieWithHNKey: Any other questionts?
(06/28 15:28:59)  Boywhith: I repeat mine…
(06/28 15:29:00)  radioflux: I love the ‘Mysterious Mynds’ threads
(06/28 15:29:10)  radioflux: great storytelling
(06/28 15:29:24)  Boywhith: You will give the links where we can find these stories?
(06/28 15:29:25)  JamieWithHNKey: I seem to have miseed your question Boywith
(06/28 15:30:16)  JamieWithHNKey: The stories are all on the Myst Online forums, I will give all the links on the Hertiage Night blog: heritagenight.wordpress.com.
(06/28 15:30:42)  JamieWithHNKey: Any other questionts?
(06/28 15:30:46)  Boywhith: Thank you! The are some many bloggs..
(06/28 15:31:09)  Boywhith: sometimes you can’t see the forest because of the trees…
(06/28 15:31:15)  JamieWithHNKey: True :)
(06/28 15:31:28)  Acorn1: just a comment: your comedy adventure was what got me posting on the forums, Jamie
(06/28 15:31:55)  Acorn1: i was reading it and seeing people fail to pick up the clues that I HAD to join in!
(06/28 15:32:10)  JamieWithHNKey: Yes you’ve told me that before, that’s cool to hear!
(06/28 15:32:29)  JamieWithHNKey: Also Hertiage Night is mentioned in the
(06/28 15:32:41)  JamieWithHNKey: ‘Myste Online’ articale on Wikepdia!
(06/28 15:33:30)  JamieWithHNKey: Any other questionts?
(06/28 15:34:14)  JamieWithHNKey: i gues not

And now its time for my big announcement! My third text-adventure will start July 1st ,2014! It will include the following features:
- An advanced moral system, in which you must find the ‘best way’ to do something, not just ‘push 1 to be rude, push 2 to be kind’.
-Boopies (currency) will actually have an in-game use.
- There will be 2 or 3 events on ‘The Gehn Shard’ (so you might want to sign up for an account on the shard.)
- The story will be a bit darker/deeper.
Also I have vague plans for 2 more adventures! I hope to see you on the forums!
Here are the threads I talked about:
Memorable Thread Collection – http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=339918#p339918

Is It More Yet? -http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16404

Ki toons – http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4312

Surprise in Minkata - http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13155&highlight=minkata

Myst: the comedy text-adventure: http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=26086

Next HN

The next Heritage Night on memorable forum thread from MOULa/MOUL will be Saturday, the 28th at 13 Ki time(in the Heritage Night hood.). See you then! I will be talking about this at today’s AGM, if they are any threads you think I should cover let me know ‘in person’ after the AGM. You can also PM me on the forums.

NOTE: This will NOT just be a repeat of the ‘memorable threads’ thread but some of my personal favoirits. I will also talk about Myst The Commidy Text advenuter and how it came to be. It was influnced by 3 forum threads, can you guess which ones?(if you can keep it to yourself so others can guess).

Hertiage Nihgt V Part II

Here is the chatlog from the chat on Gehn:

(05/18 15:32:50) Chat.log started…
(05/18 15:36:59)  Zeke365: I was wondering something is it possible to have this graphic level incorapted into MOULa cause I think it would give MOUla a nice facelift even if no new content is added?
(05/18 15:37:09)  Whilyam: Greetings.
(05/18 15:37:40)  Whilyam: Yeah, we need a high res texture pack for this Minecraft server, Hoikas
(05/18 15:37:55)  Adam {Hoikas}: [trollface.jpg]
(05/18 15:38:08)  jamie: the graphics level?
(05/18 15:38:21)  Alryn: Hi
(05/18 15:38:37)  jamie: It’s possible to put any changes on this shard into MOULa, how much work is involved is anouther question.
(05/18 15:38:50)  jamie: *from this shard
(05/18 15:39:27)  jamie: Cyan also has to approve and have time to put into MOULa
(05/18 15:39:35)  jamie: You could also report it to Adam

(05/18 15:40:54)  Zeke365: why do you like the ghen shard Jamie some reasons that might surpurise us?
(05/18 15:41:53)  jamie: The Gehn shard has the newest/grest toys without being silly like TOC
(05/18 15:42:09)  Whilyam: TOC?
(05/18 15:42:28)  jamie: like the text changing colours for PMs, proper widecreen and high quitly fan ages :)
(05/18 15:42:32)  jamie: The Open Cave
(05/18 15:42:43)  Acorn: but Jamie you might switch loyalties to DIRT I see from the chatlog yesterday
(05/18 15:43:05)  Zeke365: yes I really want to see DIRT shard

(05/18 15:43:06)  radioflux: ooh I do have a question
(05/18 15:43:44)  radioflux: are there any plans to get the Gahreesen wall working here?
(05/18 15:44:00)  jamie: That a question for Adam
(05/18 15:44:04)  janaba: TOC is MOSS based like OpenUru’s Minkata I believe
(05/18 15:44:22)  jamie: It might be, though the server backend does not make a whole lot of diffence
(05/18 15:44:30)  Adam {Hoikas}: there are vague plans regarding the wall
(05/18 15:44:40)  radioflux: hehe
(05/18 15:45:00)  Adam {Hoikas}: We looked at what TOC did and read a lot of the feedback and decided we needed to spend some time squashing bugs before unleashing it here
(05/18 15:45:05)  Whilyam: Vague are your only kinds of plans. :P
(05/18 15:45:07)  jamie: I prefer the H-URU server since I can acctually get it to run and it’s simpler
(05/18 15:45:12)  Adam {Hoikas}: that hasn’t happened quite yet
(05/18 15:45:25)  Adam {Hoikas}: =P
(05/18 15:45:36)  radioflux: yeah, the only good plan is a vague plan
(05/18 15:45:37)  Acorn: while we’re talkiig of fan clubs, janaba and I are fans of Elodea – mighht it come to Gehn?
(05/18 15:45:47)  Whilyam: brb, need to unstick myself
(05/18 15:45:48)  Zeke365: so it goes TOC to Ghen to Miknna, to MOULa
(05/18 15:46:05)  jamie: I wouden’t say that
(05/18 15:46:06)  Whilyam (I’m on the surface, be back in a minute):  
(05/18 15:46:35) Adam {Hoikas} thinks a minute
(05/18 15:46:58)  Zeke365: I have played around on deep island shard a little bit could you tell us how that came to be?
(05/18 15:47:07)  janaba: The Wall on TOC works but has many bugs still, yes
(05/18 15:47:46)  radioflux: the TOC wall is not exaclty ready for release, no
(05/18 15:47:47)  Adam {Hoikas}: Elodea is a nice age in that it actually gives folks something to do–it’s not quite polished to the level I’m looking for though. We’re going to be hosting an event in the near future about that topic, actually
(05/18 15:47:59)  janaba: new stuff to consider goes to Minkata to be tested and then e v e n t a l l y  mayyybeeee to MOULa lol
(05/18 15:48:01)  jamie: Cool :)
(05/18 15:48:10)  janaba: eventually
(05/18 15:48:31)  jamie: Adam would be able to more correctly answer your deep island question then I would
(05/18 15:48:31)  Adam {Hoikas}: if someone wants to spend the effort to move it over to Minkata ;)
(05/18 15:48:48)  Adam {Hoikas}: Deep Island…
(05/18 15:49:15)  Adam {Hoikas}: it started up between MOUL closing and MOULa opening
(05/18 15:49:18)  janaba: ohh, poor Deledrius lol
(05/18 15:49:43)  janaba: I wouldn’t want to convert and polish the Elodea universe lol
(05/18 15:49:44)  Adam {Hoikas}: at the time, the only public way to play Uru online was on a shard run by an unscrupulous individual
(05/18 15:49:51)  Acorn: yes,there were lots of people saying that visually Elodea wasn’t up to scratch so i’m not surprised at your answer, Adam, but polishing it would presumably be a huge task..
(05/18 15:50:30)  Adam {Hoikas}: so diafero came to me with the idea for Deep Island–it would host all the fan ages and be available for anyone who registered on the GoW forum
(05/18 15:50:35)  jamie: Lets let Adam finsih his deep island thing before fludding the screen with text
(05/18 15:50:59)  Adam {Hoikas}: I was glad that I wouldn’t be the one doing the work, and promptly rubber-stamped it =P
(05/18 15:51:32)  janaba: I’d say just the conversion of those immensly huge ages (4 actually) is already an arduous task, oh my :-)
(05/18 15:52:02)  Zeke365: One thing that always has confused me is this shard runs off MOUla shard yet is different server does that mean its another branch from the main server/
(05/18 15:52:19)  Adam {Hoikas}: it gets easier every time–the GoMePub is basically ready to go, there are just a few bugs…
(05/18 15:52:29)  Acorn: oooh!
(05/18 15:52:31)  janaba: lol
(05/18 15:52:43)  janaba: awesome :-)
(05/18 15:52:45)  Zeke365: nice squah those bugs
(05/18 15:53:02)  jamie: the current MOUL shards servers are totaly unrelated
(05/18 15:53:14)  Adam {Hoikas}: Zeke365, we really only depend on the MOULa game data (ages) because it’s not exactly legal for us to let you download that from us
(05/18 15:53:36)  jamie: So if MOULa(the cyan shard) went down right now, it would not effect us.
(05/18 15:53:58)  Zeke365: okay
(05/18 15:54:27)  jamie: The hope is that someday you won’t have to copy data from one shard to anouther to make it work, but that involes get promistion from Cyan which like other things is being worked on…
(05/18 15:54:39)  janaba: That’s really great isn’t it?
(05/18 15:54:50)  janaba: that sounds like independence :-)
(05/18 15:55:05)  Adam {Hoikas}: the new installer sort of makes it easy, but there are bugs (of course >.<)
(05/18 15:55:42)  Acorn: is it true that you pay for the server yourself, Adam – you don’t seem to ask for donations…..
(05/18 15:56:01)  Adam {Hoikas}: right, the shard, forum, wiki, etc all run on the same server
(05/18 15:56:52)  janaba: in case MOULa would really go down resp. being taken one day will ewxplorers be allowed to further on use the MOULs data, is that part of being Open Source? or would there have to be other new agreements to be contracted or so?
(05/18 15:57:04)  janaba: hahaha Whilyam
(05/18 15:57:49)  janaba: but it’s really awesome that those shards are really self contained and maintained etc. :-)
(05/18 15:57:56)  Adam {Hoikas}: if MOULa were to go down permanently, we would probably ship the files anyway and hope no one cries too much
(05/18 15:58:09)  Zeke365: which brings me to another question in open source you said cyan only realased part of it are we waiting for the open source to be opened fully?
(05/18 15:58:22)  janaba: yeah, ok, like that Adam :-)
(05/18 15:58:37)  Adam {Hoikas}: all of the code is open source, and we’ve got everything we’re going to get there
(05/18 15:58:50)  janaba: inofficially Cyan would agree, officially maybe not, depends on their dependences I suppose lol
(05/18 15:59:03)  Adam {Hoikas}: the content (ages, such as Relto and Teledahn) are not open sourced
(05/18 15:59:16)  Zeke365: would cyan ever deny a fan age?
(05/18 15:59:33)  Adam {Hoikas}: what we are working towards is permission to be able to “ship” that content on our own shards
(05/18 15:59:33)  janaba: dependencies … I write too fast lol
(05/18 15:59:34) From Acorn: that might work, yes
(05/18 15:59:38)  Zeke365: because there canon right
(05/18 15:59:45)  Adam {Hoikas}: I don’t know what Cyan would or wouldn’t do
(05/18 16:00:45)  Adam {Hoikas}: I do know that if you can get on Gehn, Cyan shouldn’t be able to find much content-wise to prevent you from being on MOULa
(05/18 16:00:47)  janaba: yeah, the independant redistribution, that’s important and would make everything easier for all involved
(05/18 16:03:07)  Zeke365: I was wonder in the mikkinta shard how many fans do you have testing on it other than Mach, adam, and others?
(05/18 16:03:41)  jamie: I don’t know you would have to speak to one of the admins
(05/18 16:03:53)  janaba: ohh, there are some more like me, Acorn, Tai’lahr, Christian, Mac_Fife etc. etc. :-)
(05/18 16:04:00)  jamie: I think they are at least 50 people signed up, since that many people showed up to a party once.
(05/18 16:04:11)  jamie: Me!
(05/18 16:04:11)  Acorn: anyone can plan on minkata and test it that way, if that’s what you mean Zeke
(05/18 16:04:12)  janaba: right
(05/18 16:04:19)  Acorn: *play
(05/18 16:04:28)  Adam {Hoikas}: we have 1094 active avatars
(05/18 16:04:33)  radioflux: I’m signed up, but don’t have a working install now
(05/18 16:04:37)  jamie: on minkata?
(05/18 16:04:41)  Adam {Hoikas}: on Gehn
(05/18 16:04:46)  jamie: cool :)
(05/18 16:04:53)  Zeke365: I just go back and forth on it
(05/18 16:05:00)  janaba: yeah, the more the merrier :-)
(05/18 16:05:57)  Zeke365: cause those feathers would something in the future moula so do I want to spoil myself but then again it another way to help the community
(05/18 16:07:10)  jamie: Are they any other questionts?
(05/18 16:07:32)  Zeke365: well all have questions after we leave
(05/18 16:07:38)  radioflux: how many fan ages are there on Gehn?
(05/18 16:07:43)  janaba: awww
(05/18 16:07:52)  jamie: three I think.
(05/18 16:08:00)  Acorn: what’s the best guess for when Gehn 20 will arrive?
(05/18 16:08:08)  Adam {Hoikas}: 3 now, 4 soon
(05/18 16:08:15)  janaba: ;-)
(05/18 16:08:19)  radioflux: nice
(05/18 16:08:27)  Adam {Hoikas}: I have Gehn 20 pencilled in for June 5th
(05/18 16:08:36)  jamie: Cool!
(05/18 16:08:40)  janaba: great!!!!
(05/18 16:08:50)  Acorn: lovely!
(05/18 16:09:08)  Zeke365: so will you be doing a guild of writer rework simuliar to what the GOM pub is doing?
(05/18 16:09:08)  Adam {Hoikas}: and just glancing at all of the changes, it promises to be another 3 hour update =P
(05/18 16:09:24)  Acorn: livetream?
(05/18 16:09:31)  Acorn: *tream
(05/18 16:09:32)  Adam {Hoikas}: Tweek is working on one in his spare time
(05/18 16:09:43)  Zeke365: good thing I have a fast compiuter
(05/18 16:09:49)  Acorn: *stream
(05/18 16:09:58)  janaba: on a livestream? Tweek I mean
(05/18 16:10:02)  Adam {Hoikas}: I was thinking about doing a livestream. There are a lot of moving parts in this update, so I’m probably going to need to have Deledrius on a hangout ;)
(05/18 16:10:18)  Adam {Hoikas}: Tweek is working on a new Writers’ Pub
(05/18 16:10:31)  Zeke365: what is the google hangout seems to be the new thing
(05/18 16:10:51)  janaba: ahh, yes, of course he’s working on the pub
(05/18 16:10:53)  Zeke365: that and twitch TV
(05/18 16:10:59)  janaba: and it looks great already
(05/18 16:11:12)  jamie: It appears to be Google’s verstion of Skype
(05/18 16:11:20)  Adam {Hoikas}: wait until you see the GoMePub ;)
(05/18 16:11:30)  Zeke365: so are all the pubs going to be redone to look differnt from one another?
(05/18 16:11:31)  janaba: He’s celebrating his birthday on the 30th of Maybtw, Tweek I mean :-)
(05/18 16:11:34)  radioflux: the best writing gets done in pubs
(05/18 16:12:11)  janaba: hihi
(05/18 16:12:37)  Adam {Hoikas}: I doubt it–Doobes wanted a new GoMePub, and Tweek hates the fact that all of the Pubs are clones, but they’re just interested in fixing their own pubs for now
(05/18 16:13:35)  janaba: yes that’s enough of work to be done already lol and is a great start to be sure :-)
(05/18 16:15:47)  Zeke365: so what is your vison for the ghen shard adam that people will take away with them?
(05/18 16:16:06)  janaba: good and nice question
(05/18 16:16:45)  Adam {Hoikas}: what we’re trying to do is slowly polish and make Uru better (less bugs, better performance, more shinies, etc)
(05/18 16:17:11)  Zeke365: then someday incorpate into MOULa
(05/18 16:17:20)  Adam {Hoikas}: we’re not too interested at throwing the kitchen sink at the wall and seeing what sticks
(05/18 16:17:31)  Adam {Hoikas}: if someone wants to take the time to move things over to MOULa ;)
(05/18 16:17:32)  janaba: lol
(05/18 16:18:02)  Adam {Hoikas}: (background: when I first started playing URU, there were twenty shards…)
(05/18 16:18:37)  Zeke365: would love to see that but condsidering I no programer but I can least try to learn the ins and outs
(05/18 16:18:42)  jamie: I should warn you as Gehn(and H-URU) get father and father from MOULa/Minkia moveing things from one to the other wil lget harder
(05/18 16:19:49)  janaba: I’d say I should be considered as a priviledge for MOULa to have the shard owners and programers etc. doing all the work and providing everything for free :-)
(05/18 16:19:57)  Adam {Hoikas}: by the time Minkata was up and ready to accept changes, it was already hard. it’s gone from “hard” to “potentially very, very difficult or nearly impossible”
(05/18 16:20:31)  Adam {Hoikas}: unless you have endless patience (which I don’t have =P)
(05/18 16:20:32)  janaba: it should be considered
(05/18 16:20:45)  jamie: Right! since Minkia is still ‘locked down’ issent it?
(05/18 16:21:06)  Adam {Hoikas}: I think they’re accepting changes again, but no one has submitted any
(05/18 16:21:30)  Zeke365: the reason is because as right now MOULa looks a little aged no pun intended and if MOUla was upgraded to this quailty it might interst people and give moula a facelift it truly needs
(05/18 16:21:40)  jamie: Probally since it’s more interesting too work with H-URU(and easeir)
(05/18 16:21:46)  Adam {Hoikas}: meanwhile, most of what we’re doing is like putting the top on a pyramid–a pyramid that doesn’t even exist on MOULa
(05/18 16:22:12)  jamie: Good analogy
(05/18 16:22:30)  janaba: yep :-)
– I asked Adam a question ‘off the record’ here. –
(05/18 16:32:43)  Zeke365: if you were not at the international hood meeting I heard greydragon say there they have other projects other than obuduction and MOula
(05/18 16:33:04)  Adam {Hoikas}: yeah, they have some interesting things baking
(05/18 16:33:22)  Acorn: can you tell us?
(05/18 16:33:37)  Zeke365: wonder how long its been cooking and when they be able to pull out of the oven?
(05/18 16:33:50)  janaba: no he wasn’t specific, just teasing us lol
(05/18 16:34:11)  radioflux: I have a feeling it would unwise to hold your breath, though
(05/18 16:34:16)  Adam {Hoikas}: well, you know there are a lot of irons in the fire what with Sevkor and that sort of deal
(05/18 16:34:23)  Zeke365: sort of like a teaser trailer for the community
(05/18 16:34:59)  Zeke365: where does sevkor come from anywahse?
(05/18 16:35:05)  Acorn: Sevkor has been nearly there for so long!
(05/18 16:35:32)  Adam {Hoikas}: matthornb has been working on it in blender
(05/18 16:35:44)  janaba: matthornb is working on it, in collaboration with Karkadann
(05/18 16:36:01)  janaba: he’s uploaded some videos and pictures at least
(05/18 16:36:08)  janaba: and posted
(05/18 16:37:00)  janaba: itm seems to be quite huge from the dimensions you can see so far and it looked good so far
(05/18 16:37:23)  Zeke365: sometime I wished I had spent more time studing gemoerty in school
(05/18 16:37:49)  Acorn: Karkadann hasn’t posted about it – has he really got to work on it yet?
(05/18 16:38:00)  janaba: it looked as if much work went into it, very detailed, don’t ask me for quality and lighting etc, for that you are the specialists :-)
(05/18 16:38:02)  Adam {Hoikas}: AFAIK he hasn’t received anything
(05/18 16:38:12)  Acorn: hmmm
(05/18 16:38:44)  radioflux: he did ask for nominations for fan ages, though
(05/18 16:39:08)  janaba: yeah, he always asks some of those questions lol
(05/18 16:39:14)  Acorn: but he’s working on backgammon!
(05/18 16:39:18)  Zeke365: I have been on deep island shard and have studied how the fan ages were done and have a few ideas of me own
(05/18 16:39:47)  jamie: Looks like Adam crashed
(05/18 16:39:51)  radioflux: yup
(05/18 16:40:01)  jamie: Any other questionts?
(05/18 16:40:09)  janaba: oh, Adam logged out or poofed?
(05/18 16:40:14)  Zeke365: when the next heratige night?
(05/18 16:40:18)  Acorn: this has been fun, jamie!
(05/18 16:40:44)  Acorn: he’s back
(05/18 16:40:50)  jamie: I don’t know, I usally plan the next one at the end of the month
(05/18 16:41:02)  janaba: oh, yes, I think that was a great, informative and fun session, Jamie :-)
(05/18 16:41:22)  Acorn: what’s the next topic?
(05/18 16:41:24) jamie is typing
(05/18 16:41:44)  jamie: I’m not sure atm
(05/18 16:42:03)  janaba: ohh, you did so many already, take your time Jamie :-)
(05/18 16:42:12)  janaba: wb Adam :-)
(05/18 16:42:21)  Adam {Hoikas}: ty
(05/18 16:42:40)  jamie: Oh yes! I remember! the next Hertiage Night night will be on famous forum threads
(05/18 16:42:53)  janaba: we’re almost at the end and I’ve said it was a fun and informative session, thanks to you Jamie, Adam and all else :-)
(05/18 16:42:55) janaba cheers
(05/18 16:42:58)  jamie: including some MOUL(2007) ones like ‘Suprice in Minkinia)
(05/18 16:43:03) Acorn cheers
(05/18 16:43:06)  Adam {Hoikas}: =P
(05/18 16:43:13) Adam {Hoikas} vaguely remembers that one
(05/18 16:43:26)  janaba: hihi, on famous forum threads … yeah!!!
(05/18 16:43:28)  Adam {Hoikas}: you should do “Ending the Nonsense” as well [trollface.jpg]
(05/18 16:43:37)  Acorn: which forums are you covering, Jamie?
(05/18 16:43:45)  radioflux: Heritage Night goes meta?
(05/18 16:44:10) janaba roars with laughter
(05/18 16:44:11)  jamie: It has allready, since the last 2 meeting where OOC
(05/18 16:44:13)  Zeke365: well I gotta go see ya all later
(05/18 16:44:22)  Adam {Hoikas}: has teh funs
(05/18 16:44:25)  Acorn: bye Zeke
(05/18 16:44:30)  radioflux: bye zeke
(05/18 16:44:35)  Alryn: bye
(05/18 16:44:36)  jamie: bye
(05/18 16:44:43)  radioflux: I hae to go to, btw
(05/18 16:44:51)  jamie: bye radioflux
(05/18 16:44:52)  janaba: bye bye Zeke :-)
(05/18 16:44:55)  radioflux: time flies etc
(05/18 16:45:00)  jamie: here gone allready
(05/18 16:45:04)  Acorn: bye, Radioflux
(05/18 16:45:12)  radioflux: thanks Jamie and Adam
(05/18 16:45:18)  janaba: bye radioflux :-)
(05/18 16:45:20)  radioflux: bye
(05/18 16:45:29)  jamie: no problem radioflux
(05/18 16:45:29)  radioflux (I’m on the surface, be back in a minute):  
(05/18 16:45:33)  Alryn: thank you all
(05/18 16:45:43)  jamie: Well I gues this is the end then
(05/18 16:45:49) …Chat.log stopped.

Hertiage Night 5: The Shards(Part A)

Welcome to this month’s Heritage Night! Once again this will be an ‘out of character’ event. Tonight, I will be talking about ‘the shards’. Now for those of you who don’t know, they are many server/client pairs one can use to play this game. Each server/client pair is called a ‘shard’. Each ‘shard’ has different features.

So now for what I do best, some history. The shards are not actually a new concept. After the online component of ‘URU: Ages beyond Myst’ was canceled, Cyan gave certain community members the ability to run their own servers. With a modified client (downloadable from Cyan), one could connect to the different servers. At that time, the servers were known as ‘shards’. No new content was available on the shards. However, the fans did make a tool that allowed admins to mess with the environment, similar to what we see in The Fun House today.

All of the clients had to use a ‘shard list’ Cyan maintained. When Gametap MOUL started in 2007, the ‘shard list’ was shut down and thus the age of ‘shards’ ended till Open Source.

With MOULa being Open Source, we can now make ‘shards’, so for various reasons, several fan shards have been created. They are:

- Minkata testing shard – made for testing new features (and not playing the game). This is the shard OpenURU.org uses to test changes to the game code that will eventually be put into MOULa. They are always looking for people to test features, so if you want to give them a hand, you can check out this shard at: http://www.OpenURU.Org.

– The Open Cave – This fun and non-canonical shard has some fan content and features not found anywhere else. They have pets; they allow anyone to use a ‘Bahro’ ‘treasure chest’ avatar. They’re known for a wacky version of the city called the ‘City Of Dimensions’ (a version of Ae’gura. Oh, and everyone can use magic commands like ‘goto’ (teleport) and jump?

- Gehn Shard – I saved what I consider the best for last. The Gehn is run by the Guild of Writers and uses the ‘H-URU client’. If you visit, you will find plenty of minor improvements to the game. There are also fan created ages, chosen by the Guild, showing some of the best of what the fans can create. In fact, I like it so much that I want everyone to see it and so, as I said in the events section of my post, there will be a special get-together on the shard tomorrow. If you interested in hanging out with me in one of the fan ages, this is the time to get set up on the shard. All Guild of Writers forum accounts are connected to the shard accounts, so if you have a forum account, you already have a shard account. We will meet up in the Vothol Gallery.

Are they any questions?

Q&A(chatlog):

(05/17 15:28:53) Chat.log started…
(05/17 15:29:09)  JamieWithHNKey: Anything you say to me at this point COULD end up on the Hertiage Night blog.
(05/17 15:29:24)  JamieWithHNKey: Now someone had a question
(05/17 15:29:55)  Velvey: vivar?
(05/17 15:29:56)  Christian Walther: Do you know anything about the shards that existed in beta/prologue/whatever? Atrus, Katran, Achenar I believe?
(05/17 15:30:00)  vivarrodrigoz: tell me
(05/17 15:30:15)  Velvey: you wanted to ask something?
(05/17 15:30:15)  vivarrodrigoz: ah the question?
(05/17 15:30:24)  vivarrodrigoz: ah yes yes sorry
(05/17 15:30:25)  JamieWithHNKey: I have heard of them, I don’t know much about the
(05/17 15:30:37)  vivarrodrigoz: ok moment need translation
(05/17 15:30:40)  vivarrodrigoz: please
(05/17 15:31:23)  Christian Walther: Ok, thanks (neither do I as I wasn’t around at that time)
(05/17 15:31:32)  vivarrodrigoz: I like an image created by fans
(05/17 15:31:46)  vivarrodrigoz: name katha age i think i have 2 pics
(05/17 15:31:54)  vivarrodrigoz: katha housenight.jpg
(05/17 15:32:17)  vivarrodrigoz: and the other is the same house but is the day
(05/17 15:32:22)  JamieWithHNKey: I once red an interesting blog form somone who was around at the time, I’m sure you can find it if you Google for it
(05/17 15:33:05)  vivarrodrigoz: in this picture you can see something fabulous is a huge mansion
(05/17 15:33:19)  JamieWithHNKey: viv I’m still talking about the last thing, could you please wait a bit
(05/17 15:33:29)  vivarrodrigoz: yes sorry
(05/17 15:33:49)  vivarrodrigoz: i wait sorry
(05/17 15:34:03)  JamieWithHNKey: annways if you want me to look for the blog articale about the Beta, let me know by forum PM latter and I’ll try and hunt it donw.
(05/17 15:34:30)  Christian Walther: it’s OK, thanks, I’d probably find it on my own
(05/17 15:34:48)  Boywhith: sorry, I am late.
(05/17 15:35:00)  vivarrodrigoz: hola boy :)
(05/17 15:35:14)  JamieWithHNKey: Gehn is called Gehn is a ‘node’ to the Beta shards you talked about.
(05/17 15:35:16)  Boywhith: shorah all :))
(05/17 15:35:21)  JamieWithHNKey: Now onto viv’s thing.
(05/17 15:36:01)  vivarrodrigoz: i think need to download gehn shard?
(05/17 15:36:01)  JamieWithHNKey: Shorah Boywith, you missed the talk, we are doing a Q&A, I am chatlogging everything for the blog.
(05/17 15:36:37)  Boywhith: Thanks Jamie, I have missed there was a HN today.
(05/17 15:37:16)  JamieWithHNKey: Yes, http://www.guildofwriters.org/cwe/gehn_shard.exe will install it, it uses a copy of your MOULa data so the install is light
(05/17 15:37:35) vivarrodrigoz thanks you
(05/17 15:37:43)  JamieWithHNKey: Hmm, it was on the forums, but I did not have things ‘set up
(05/17 15:37:47)  JamieWithHNKey: WOPSE!
(05/17 15:37:57)  JamieWithHNKey: For the AGM, so I did not annonce it then.
(05/17 15:37:58)  Padbra Padchocola: hi all
(05/17 15:38:07)  vivarrodrigoz: shorah padbra
(05/17 15:38:13)  Boywhith: shorah Padbra :)
(05/17 15:38:26)  Christian Walther: You could put it on the GoMe calendar
(05/17 15:38:32)  Padbra Padchocola: there is a agm today?
(05/17 15:38:34)  JamieWithHNKey: Shorah Padbra, you missed the story, however, they was hardly annyone here for that so they might be ‘rerun’ eposodoe in ‘the future’
(05/17 15:38:53)  Padbra Padchocola: ok
(05/17 15:38:57)  JamieWithHNKey: No, there was 2 weeks ago, but I was not ready so I could not annonce Hetiage Night then :(
(05/17 15:39:16)  Padbra Padchocola: ok
(05/17 15:39:37)  JamieWithHNKey: Ok so does anyone have any quesionts about The Shards?
(05/17 15:39:51)  Christian Walther: I don’t think viv’s question was answered…
(05/17 15:39:57)  vivarrodrigoz: yes
(05/17 15:40:01)  Boywhith: They are difficult to manage…
(05/17 15:40:20)  Christian Walther: (or even asked completely, for that matter)
(05/17 15:40:21)  JamieWithHNKey: oh Viv what is your question
(05/17 15:40:30)  Boywhith: not as i called… plug and play.
(05/17 15:40:58)  vivarrodrigoz: I just wonder if in the future we could explore that age I’m dying of curiosity to know what you can find us
(05/17 15:41:01) Padbra Padchocola waves hello
(05/17 15:41:31)  JamieWithHNKey: hmm, what age?
(05/17 15:41:41)  Velvey: he’s talking about katha
(05/17 15:41:44)  vivarrodrigoz: katha age i think
(05/17 15:41:49)  vivarrodrigoz: is the name
(05/17 15:42:03)  vivarrodrigoz: i have 2 pic of katha …
(05/17 15:42:20)  vivarrodrigoz: 1 name katha_housenight.jpg
(05/17 15:42:40)  vivarrodrigoz: age created for fans
(05/17 15:43:24)  Velvey: those pictures are from years ago!
(05/17 15:43:31)  Padbra Padchocola: katha is a concept art from cyan I think, no?
(05/17 15:43:33) vivarrodrigoz nods his head
(05/17 15:43:48)  vivarrodrigoz: and i have other
(05/17 15:43:49)  Christian Walther: Yes, these pictures were not created by fans, they are Uru concept art, by Stephan Martiniere I belive.
(05/17 15:43:56)  vivarrodrigoz: name reano.jpg
(05/17 15:44:12)  Padbra Padchocola: right, Stephan Martiniere
(05/17 15:44:14)  vivarrodrigoz: yes correct right
(05/17 15:44:42)  Padbra Padchocola: I don’t know about reano
(05/17 15:44:58)  radioflux: impressive art, but never realised
(05/17 15:45:08)  JamieWithHNKey: The name sounds fimalier
(05/17 15:45:33)  JamieWithHNKey: I think Cyan has a concept art gallery somewhere online
(05/17 15:45:44)  Padbra Padchocola: reh-ahno?
(05/17 15:46:14)  Christian Walther: http://rel.to/chiso has a lot too
(05/17 15:46:37)  JamieWithHNKey: Personally I want to see Cyan relase that raceing level, where players could race a … something
(05/17 15:46:44)  JamieWithHNKey: and it would stream to the pub?
(05/17 15:46:49)  tkol17: http://chiso.uruslasthope.com/
(05/17 15:46:50)  vivarrodrigoz: my question is if in the future us to explore that age
(05/17 15:47:32)  Padbra Padchocola: if it is just a concept art, someone have to build the age first
(05/17 15:47:41)  Padbra Padchocola: :p
(05/17 15:47:42)  JamieWithHNKey: Well the fans could make what we think the age should look like based on the sketches.
(05/17 15:48:00)  JamieWithHNKey: Or Cyan could make what they inteended the age too look like.
(05/17 15:48:20)  JamieWithHNKey: I don’t think either party watns to do so at this time.
(05/17 15:48:33)  Padbra Padchocola: cyan will not build new ages I think
(05/17 15:48:38)  JamieWithHNKey: Also this is not a ‘shard’ question, so if you want to talk about more, lets do so after the meeting
(05/17 15:49:01)  Boywhith: now they are much to busy with Obduction.
(05/17 15:49:09)  Padbra Padchocola: right
(05/17 15:49:22)  Padbra Padchocola: and it’s nice :)
(05/17 15:49:37)  JamieWithHNKey: Hopfully
(05/17 15:49:40)  Padbra Padchocola: :))
(05/17 15:50:06)  vivarrodrigoz: wow
(05/17 15:50:14)  vivarrodrigoz: more pics thanks tko :)
(05/17 15:50:29)  vivarrodrigoz: wow i will explore this age is so beautifull
(05/17 15:50:29)  JamieWithHNKey: Ok are they any ‘on topic’ questionts?
(05/17 15:50:56)  Padbra Padchocola: I have a question about kind of age creation, but it’s something different
(05/17 15:50:58)  vivarrodrigoz: sorry for the interruption
(05/17 15:51:14)  radioflux: no problem, viv
(05/17 15:51:15)  JamieWithHNKey: I understand
(05/17 15:51:20)  Padbra Padchocola: I don’t know where I can ask it
(05/17 15:51:51)  JamieWithHNKey: Gould Of Writers is good place of age creation type questionts
(05/17 15:52:17)  Padbra Padchocola: ok
(05/17 15:52:31)  Padbra Padchocola: thx
(05/17 15:52:35)  JamieWithHNKey: No problem!
(05/17 15:52:39)  Padbra Padchocola: :)
(05/17 15:53:42)  JamieWithHNKey: anye other questionts?
(05/17 15:54:14)  Padbra Padchocola: well… DIRT?
(05/17 15:54:16)  vivarrodrigoz: you know?
(05/17 15:54:24)  vivarrodrigoz: i like the yellow room
(05/17 15:54:27)  vivarrodrigoz: wonderfull
(05/17 15:54:35)  JamieWithHNKey: DIRT? yellow room?
(05/17 15:55:03)  Padbra Padchocola: Dirt: Urulive
(05/17 15:55:03)  Boywhith: You mean the new Messenger Pub?
(05/17 15:55:04)  vivarrodrigoz: i see the web http://chiso.uruslasthope.com/
(05/17 15:55:30)  JamieWithHNKey: I think D.I.R.T is an ealery verstion of URU Ages Beyound Myst
(05/17 15:55:41)  JamieWithHNKey: or is that Mudpie
(05/17 15:56:00)  Padbra Padchocola: the new “dirt” by fans
(05/17 15:56:01)  radioflux: Dirt: Uru Live is new shard
(05/17 15:56:05)  vivarrodrigoz: dirt but I do not know when I will be able get me down
(05/17 15:56:13) vivarrodrigoz leans left
(05/17 15:56:27)  Boywhith: I prefer more clean places ;)
(05/17 15:56:36)  Padbra Padchocola: so, it’s a independant shard?
(05/17 15:56:51)  vivarrodrigoz: i prefer more books in my library of my relto ;)
(05/17 15:56:52)  radioflux: as far as I am aware, it is
(05/17 15:57:01)  vivarrodrigoz: and more fantastic ages :)
(05/17 15:57:15)  radioflux: http://dirturulive.tumblr.com
(05/17 15:57:22)  Padbra Padchocola: and do you know if there is some prevision to implement it on moula?
(05/17 15:57:38)  JamieWithHNKey: Oh yes, it’s so new, I forgot about when wrting my speech!
(05/17 15:57:39)  Padbra Padchocola: thx for the url :)
(05/17 15:57:42)  Boywhith: I hope it is.
(05/17 15:57:47)  JamieWithHNKey: Is that out, yet!
(05/17 15:57:58)  Christian Walther: not publicly
(05/17 15:57:59)  JamieWithHNKey: I can’t wait to try it! It might be BETTER then Gehn!
(05/17 15:58:03)  Boywhith: A wild dream was…
(05/17 15:58:06)  radioflux: still in alpha, I think
(05/17 15:58:13)  Boywhith: a second Nexus here…
(05/17 15:58:14)  JamieWithHNKey: That’s what I thought.
(05/17 15:58:20)  radioflux: or very closed beta
(05/17 15:58:26) Padbra Padchocola can’t wait
(05/17 15:58:37)  JamieWithHNKey: I think the new Avater screen looks cool!
(05/17 15:58:38)  radioflux: waiting with baited breath…
(05/17 15:58:42)  Boywhith: filled with linkingbooks to all fanages!
(05/17 15:58:54)  radioflux: quite ambitious plans, too
(05/17 15:59:04)  radioflux: I wonder who’se going to build all those ages…
(05/17 15:59:17)  JamieWithHNKey: Fans!
(05/17 15:59:50)  radioflux: I’d like some quality control, though ;)
(05/17 16:00:03)  Padbra Padchocola: :p
(05/17 16:00:15)  Boywhith: of couse, that must be an important step.
(05/17 16:00:21)  Padbra Padchocola: yes :)
(05/17 16:00:37)  Boywhith: But to that high standards…
(05/17 16:00:58)  Boywhith: the Vothol Gallery and Vinhir’s House can come here.
(05/17 16:01:26) Padbra Padchocola nods his head
(05/17 16:02:03)  JamieWithHNKey: I’d like to ‘wrap thigns up’, any other questions?
(05/17 16:02:15)  JamieWithHNKey: We can casually chat in Agarua after the meeting
(05/17 16:02:22)  Velvey: Thanks Jamie for your info! See you later guys, have fun!
(05/17 16:02:24)  Padbra Padchocola: :p
(05/17 16:02:31)  radioflux: how about tomorrow?
(05/17 16:02:33) Velvey waves hello
(05/17 16:02:33)  vivarrodrigoz: see you later velvey
(05/17 16:02:36)  radioflux: we go to Gehn?
(05/17 16:02:41)  JamieWithHNKey: Bye hope to see you tommrow on the Gehn shard!
(05/17 16:02:42)  Velvey (I’m on the surface, be back in a minute):  
(05/17 16:02:43)  Padbra Padchocola: see you velvet
(05/17 16:02:48) …Chat.log stopped.

 

Hertiage Night V: The Shards

The next heritage night will be Saturday the 17th at 13:10 Ki time. The topic will be ‘The Shards’. The will be a visite to the Gehn shard the next day. We will be meeting same Ki time next day in the fan made ‘Vothol Gallery’!(avaible in the public city links in the nexsus!) as a ‘field trip’. So make sure you install the shard before that part of the event :).

(sorry I’m late with this, I forgot my password to this blog.)

Hertiage Night talk

In spite of coming at the wrong time(sorry) my Heritage Night FAQ and ‘future’ speech went over well, here is the chatlog in-case you missed it:

(04/24 18:26:02) Chat.log started…
(04/24 18:26:41)  Jamie Marchant: now everything from this point on could appear in a chatlog, thoug I will try and remove the private messages
(04/24 18:27:02)  Jamie Marchant: You can ask any question about MOUL(2010) and I will attempt to answer
(04/24 18:27:17)  Jamie Marchant: Please ask one question at a time
(04/24 18:27:34)  Ben Berry: have you met Sven before?
(04/24 18:27:35)  Annabelle: When was the date the Cavern reopened?
(04/24 18:27:42)  Jamie Marchant: when where done if you want to keep chatting for a bit I can open up the Heritage Night hood
(04/24 18:27:50)  Jamie Marchant: ONE at a time!
(04/24 18:27:54)  Jamie Marchant: ok lets begin
(04/24 18:28:07)  Annabelle: jamie…we cannot know who’s asking also lol
(04/24 18:28:20)  Annabelle: we are not side-by-side ;-)
(04/24 18:28:40)  Jamie Marchant: Hmm good point
(04/24 18:28:53)  Jamie Marchant: well wait for me to anwer a question before asking the next
(04/24 18:28:59)  Annabelle: k
(04/24 18:29:13)  Jamie Marchant: i can’t remeber the date MOULa opened but I think that question was trying to tripe me up
(04/24 18:29:38)  DaH: What was the history of the age and Ae’gura expansions
(04/24 18:29:48)  DaH: Opening them up
(04/24 18:30:04)  Annabelle: no not at all it wasn’t ill intended
(04/24 18:30:13)  Annabelle: i was only curious
(04/24 18:30:17)  Jamie Marchant: That happend in MOULa(2007) which was before my time
(04/24 18:30:29)  Annabelle: no i meant in 2010
(04/24 18:30:47)  Jamie Marchant: I’m not sure I understand the question
(04/24 18:30:48)  Zeke365: i joined on 2011
(04/24 18:30:54)  Ben Berry: that’s why I asked about Sven
(04/24 18:30:59)  Jamie Marchant: good for you
(04/24 18:31:24)  Jamie Marchant: i may have meet Sven but I’ve meet many many people over the years I dont renenber all of them
(04/24 18:31:37)  Jamie Marchant: s/he is not on buddies list
(04/24 18:31:49)  Ben Berry: he did the let’s play during 2010
(04/24 18:32:04)  Jamie Marchant: Hmm… I mised that one
(04/24 18:32:20)  Jamie Marchant: Wait! I remember that now!
(04/24 18:32:31)  Ben Berry: did a door run as well
(04/24 18:32:42)  I.H.P:Max: Ehhh… where is thi s going?
(04/24 18:33:05)  Jamie Marchant: i never saw that LP and the only time I met him he was not filming but I remember him talking about it
(04/24 18:33:08)  Ben Berry: just seeing if anyone knew him
(04/24 18:33:15)  I.H.P:Max: Wanna tell anything about the Future of HN, Jamie?
(04/24 18:33:23)  Jamie Marchant: Ok
(04/24 18:33:33)  Blanka: Sven has several “Let’s Play MOUL Again” videos on YouTube. “Welcome Back!” he always says at the beginning.
(04/24 18:33:41)  Ben Berry: yes
(04/24 18:33:44)  I.H.P:Max: you got grand plans?
(04/24 18:34:12)  Jamie Marchant: Next months topic will be “The Shard” and will include a trip to the Gehn Shard!
(04/24 18:34:22)  Jamie Marchant: After that I will talk about memory forum threads
(04/24 18:34:36)  Jamie Marchant: in the furture we will do what was never done but suggested at leat twice
(04/24 18:35:02)  I.H.P:Max: A space flight?
(04/24 18:35:15) Korov’ev is thinking about a multi-shard tour/HN…
(04/24 18:35:26)  Jamie Marchant: I will retell stories of MOUL(2007) and use Grey Hat magic to make people look like chacters from the stories
(04/24 18:35:30)  I.H.P:Max: That sound interesting… yeah
(04/24 18:35:41)  I.H.P.X: nice!
(04/24 18:35:49)  Jamie Marchant: It will all take place in the Hood Of Illusionts
(04/24 18:35:55)  Zeke365: Gives me ideas for my own projects
(04/24 18:36:00)  Ben Berry: Will you be a part of the Myst Productions filming?
(04/24 18:36:02)  I.H.P:Max: Can I be Zandi?
(04/24 18:36:15)  I.H.P.X: :)
(04/24 18:36:15)  Jamie Marchant: The planes for this are very far off and I don’t have details yet
(04/24 18:36:27)  Blanka: Shoud we wear our Maintainers Suits? Just kidding!
(04/24 18:36:38)  I.H.P:Max: But in a near future, Jamie?
(04/24 18:36:43)  Jamie Marchant: LOL if the script calls for a matiners suit
(04/24 18:36:53) Blanka cheers
(04/24 18:36:56)  Korov’ev: Can I be Wheely? no, wait, that’s not a good idea…
(04/24 18:36:59)  Jamie Marchant: it will be either this fall or next spring
(04/24 18:37:09) I.H.P.X is gonna be Yeesha for halloween, btw
(04/24 18:37:15)  I.H.P.X: ^^
(04/24 18:37:19)  mTX17: haha
(04/24 18:37:24) Fil claps his hands
(04/24 18:37:26)  Jamie Marchant: Since I have a lot of planning and other Hertiage Nigths I wan to do first
(04/24 18:37:40)  Jamie Marchant: I also have to find someone who know that time perid or read up on it.
(04/24 18:37:50)  Jamie Marchant: I can’t remember what’s happening this summer
(04/24 18:38:02)  Ben Berry: the lost art
(04/24 18:38:24)  Jamie Marchant: Stone is busy but we WILL be doing our Fun House thing soon!
(04/24 18:38:50)  Blanka: Mysterium 2014 is this summer.
(04/24 18:39:03)  Jamie Marchant: I meant in terms of Heritage Night
(04/24 18:39:36)  Jamie Marchant: Since I begain it I accutlly had a sceudle planned as per what would happen where
(04/24 18:40:13)  Jamie Marchant: Oh yeah! This summer there will be a ‘open Hertiage Night’ where YOU can tell stories
(04/24 18:40:26) Calum Traveler smiles
(04/24 18:40:42)  Jamie Marchant: *sorry whre you can tell your MOUL(2010) or MOUL(2007) stories
(04/24 18:40:51)  Jamie Marchant: hi Calum diden’t see you there
(04/24 18:41:26)  Jamie Marchant: Any other questionts?
(04/24 18:42:22)  I.H.P.X: well done jamie
(04/24 18:42:35)  Jamie Marchant: well I guess not, I acctually planned this with some ‘extra’ time
(04/24 18:42:51)  Jamie Marchant: annways keep watching the blog and forums for Hertiage Night updates
(04/24 18:42:54) Annabelle claps her hands
(04/24 18:42:58) mTX17 claps his hands
(04/24 18:43:01) I.H.P.X claps her hands
(04/24 18:43:02) Zeke365 claps his hands
(04/24 18:43:05) …Chat.log stopped.

Heritage Night 4: Open Source

Hello and welcome to the fourth Heritage Night! So far so good, eh! Unfortunately, I don’t have anything big planned (unlike last time) today, but the topic will be interesting just the same. The topic is ‘open source’. There will be an explanation of what ‘open source’ means, a ‘historical overview’ and a ‘general’ Q&A session. So let’s begin! Oh, this one may be a bit longer than the previous session; if you need to leave, full details will be online on the Heritage Night blog.

To start with, let’s get a raise of hands: are they any programmers here? /me raises his hand.

So what is open source and what does it mean? In simple terms, it means that the ‘blueprints’ (which are normally proprietary) are freely available for programmers to grab, change and build new programs off of.

Now pay attention; this part may be a bit confusing. Only certain parts of this game are open source. Here is what is and is NOT open source. Cyan has made a plug-in for 3d Max, an expensive piece of 3d modelling software. The plug-in is open source. With the expensive software and plug-in, people can make ages.

The game itself is made out of three basic components: the client, the game assets, and the server. Only one of those, the client, is open source. Normal copyright laws apply to the things that are not open. They can not be shared without permission from Cyan. The assets are: the movies, ages, sounds, and textures that make up the game. Messages and all game progress are saved on the server. The client controls what the player sees and hears and how the player interacts with the world (including puzzle logic). Although a lot of the changes go unnoticed behind the scenes, the game has been improved due to changes to the source code, all made by fans. For example, in a previous version of the game, it was not possible to click on people when in the ‘AFK’ mode.

 

So now the smart people in the audience are probably thinking: “If the server is not open source, how do the shards run?”. The answer is: the shards are run on fan-created servers.

OK, and now some history. On April 6th, 2011, Rand wrote a letter telling the community that open source had arrived and it had. There was great excitement and a few new sections were opened on the Myst Online forums (that were closed later on). At first, Cyan had accidentally released the source code under a license that prevented anyone from distributing the clients they had built. This seems bizarre so let me explain: there are several copy/paste open source licenses you can put on your source code. They had applied a license without taking into account the meaning of one of its clauses.

I don’t want to go into too much detail about this since it’s rather technical, so I will summarise by saying it took a while before the issue was fixed and, in the meantime, only developers who built their own clients could see the changes.

Eventually, it was fixed and soon afterwards the shards were started and some changes were seen in the game. It has always been a slow process getting changes into Cyan’s hands, which has more important business needs to take care of before MOULa stuff (especially now with Obduction on the way).

To make things a bit more confusing, there are two main ‘branches’ of the client. The OpenURU.Org branch and the Guild Of Writers ‘Hack URU’ branch. Why two branches? The basic reason is simple. OpenURU moves at a slow pace and tries to maintain compatibility with Cyan’s custom build system. They don’t change more than a few things at a time and wait for Cyan to accept them before changing more things. There is also a limit to which ‘libraries’( building materials) can be used, as these must also be compatible with the tools Cyan uses. Some people were not satisfied with these conditions and made their own branch (version) of the code. This version is known as the ‘H-uru’ branch. The Gehn shard client is an example of a client that uses this branch.

The last thing I want to talk about is the missing videos. The videos are in a proprietary format created by RAD Game Tools. RAD Game Tools actually found out about Open Source MOULa and were displeased that Cyan had released confidential Bink (the name of the format) code in the project. They threatened Cyan with legal action if they did not fix the issue. All developers were required to remove the offending code and Cyan had to fix the issue ASAP and could not wait for a ‘fan patch’. Cyan’s rushed fix is what causes the bug where: new players must push ‘escape’ after the avatar creation screen to start a new game. How did Cyan make such an oversight? Well, Bink performs two unusual practices when it comes to their licensing model. First of all, they offer each customer a confidential license agreement. Since it’s confidential, Cyan and RAD Game Tools are the only ones who would have a copy. The other thing they did was to take ownership for sample code instead of giving the rights to Cyan, meaning that Cyan could use that sample code, but not distribute it. As far as I know, not even Microsoft or Apple have requirements like this, so Cyan did not expect it. What can we do? Developers are in a discussion right now to find a solution, but like everything in open source MOULa, it’s slow going.

Now for the ‘general’ questions section.

Chat log:

(04/12 15:28:35) Chat.log started…
(04/12 15:28:44)  JamieWithHNKey: Any questions?
(04/12 15:29:00)  radioflux: what does H-uru mean?
(04/12 15:29:24)  Zeke365: Why do you think MOula is slow growing is it because of cyan or fans?
(04/12 15:29:29)  Acorn1: jamie, how does the plug-in work in terms of open source?
(04/12 15:30:03)  I.H.P:Max: one at the time, please…. let him answer
(04/12 15:30:18)  JamieWithHNKey: Yes I’m  no longer copy/pasting so I’m slow
(04/12 15:30:50)  JamieWithHNKey: H-URU is Hack URU(accoding to Adam Joson) it was started so that Adam and some of his buddies at the GoW could hack URU(2003)
(04/12 15:31:04)  radioflux: Ok thanks
(04/12 15:31:26)  JamieWithHNKey: Uru slow growing: I think I missed that sentence
(04/12 15:31:56)  JamieWithHNKey: It since Cyan is busy with other cemmetils stuff like Obudction and RealMyst 2.0
(04/12 15:32:01)  Zeke365: is Moula slow growing because of fans or by cayan?
(04/12 15:32:17)  JamieWithHNKey: Also most programmers are more interseting in working on H-URU
(04/12 15:32:18)  Denizen: Or by cayenne?
(04/12 15:32:32)  Boywhith: Before Obduction is was very slow growing also…
(04/12 15:32:45)  JamieWithHNKey: The plugin is also Open Source, I think I mised that setnece :(
(04/12 15:33:02)  I.H.P:Max: even great Wines and Whisky mature slowly….
(04/12 15:33:14)  Korov’ev: it’s just that at the moment Obduction and realMyst are the priorities
(04/12 15:33:31)  JamieWithHNKey: Korov’eve is correct
(04/12 15:33:35)  Boywhith: At this moment, yes, but 2 years ago?
(04/12 15:33:40)  Acorn1: And the bink problem – the fix caused yet more work
(04/12 15:33:42)  Ben Berry: Does the Cavcon level determine how Uru functions overall?
(04/12 15:33:57)  ~ Kaaja ~: and we often forget that it takes money and time for additions here.. donations are never enough ..helpful but not enough
(04/12 15:33:57)  JamieWithHNKey: Other things where a prioritie at that time
(04/12 15:34:01)  JamieWithHNKey: I hate to say this but
(04/12 15:34:01)  Korov’ev: iOS apps, I guess
(04/12 15:34:14)  JamieWithHNKey: To Cyan MOULa is a ‘hobby’ project
(04/12 15:34:33)  Boywhith: yeah, I agree. But so always something has priority.
(04/12 15:34:45)  JamieWithHNKey: it’s like when your in school, you have to do all your homework before you can play video games
(04/12 15:35:00)  ~ Kaaja ~: :)
(04/12 15:35:01)  Korov’ev: there’s a “setting expectations” post by RAWA about this
(04/12 15:35:09)  JamieWithHNKey: Even if it means you spend 2 weeks doing nothing but homeowrk you still cann’t play video gaems
(04/12 15:35:24) Mister Magic leans left
(04/12 15:35:33)  JamieWithHNKey: Yes there is, RAWA said right when MOULa started that things would be slow going
(04/12 15:35:48)  Boywhith: conclusion, MOULa will hardly change in future.
(04/12 15:36:20)  Korov’ev: long after school is just the same :)
(04/12 15:36:26)  Zeke365: It at least its 4 years running and still running
(04/12 15:36:51)  Boywhith: yeah, but what has changes sinds feb 2010?
(04/12 15:36:55)  I.H.P:Max: ah… but it’s still a place where we, everybody, can meet!
(04/12 15:37:07)  Denizen: The last spark has been fixed
(04/12 15:37:20)  janeerah: mainly, not a lot, Tom
(04/12 15:37:25)  Korov’ev: magic bot?
(04/12 15:37:28)  Zeke365: Eariler version of the social network of today
(04/12 15:37:32)  Boywhith: yeah, that is one thing.
(04/12 15:37:58)  Boywhith: BTW, I don’t want to sound negative. It is wonderful to be here.
(04/12 15:38:11)  JamieWithHNKey: Look under ‘announcements and news’ on the forums for a list of changes
(04/12 15:38:18)  JamieWithHNKey: Here are some notworthy ones:
(04/12 15:38:31)  JamieWithHNKey: – Security fixes provided by the “Grey Hats”
(04/12 15:38:32)  Ben Berry: until the limit reaches 50 then laaaaaag
(04/12 15:38:58)  JamieWithHNKey: (before the fix it was possible to run some code on your local machine)
(04/12 15:39:13)  JamieWithHNKey: Other fixeses
(04/12 15:39:31)  JamieWithHNKey: The name change ‘bevin’ to ‘hood’
(04/12 15:39:51)  radioflux: why did they change the name?
(04/12 15:39:55)  Boywhith: Who care that name change?
(04/12 15:40:15)  JamieWithHNKey: Bevin is the incorrect term
(04/12 15:40:16)  Boywhith: Totally unimportant.
(04/12 15:40:17)  ~ Kaaja ~: i would like to know
(04/12 15:40:18)  Korov’ev: IIRC the hood of illusion happened in 2011
(04/12 15:40:28)  Acorn1: There are some brilliant fan ages – if only they could be incorporated.  Cyan seem supportive of that….but again it’s so slow
(04/12 15:40:29)  Denizen: Every change to canon is significant… IT’s because we’re surfacers lol
(04/12 15:40:29)  ~ Kaaja ~: just curious
(04/12 15:40:37)  JamieWithHNKey: I was going to stick into a Heritage Night so I’ll tell the story!
(04/12 15:40:57)  Ben Berry: besides when you discard the Bevin book from your shelf a relto page appears in your Hood’s age. love the island hopping
(04/12 15:41:06)  Boywhith: sorry, Jamie… go on, please.
(04/12 15:41:19)  Korov’ev: HN derailing is happening again :)
(04/12 15:41:34)  JamieWithHNKey: Ok this is off the top of my head
(04/12 15:42:04)  JamieWithHNKey: In MOULa and maybe the 2007 vestion there was a bug in the Ki where all hoods showed up as ‘Bevin’ which is the first hood the DRC found
(04/12 15:42:27)  radioflux: awkward
(04/12 15:42:34)  JamieWithHNKey: Explorers diden’t like this since it’s like calling all major cities Toronto
(04/12 15:43:06)  JamieWithHNKey: The objection got load enough till the bug was fixed
(04/12 15:43:12)  JamieWithHNKey: (with Open Source)
(04/12 15:44:07)  JamieWithHNKey: Meanwile OOC I THINK the reason Cyan called them all Bevin’s was becasuse Neerbearhood was to long  to fit propory
(04/12 15:44:15)  JamieWithHNKey: on some sceens/interfaceses
(04/12 15:44:47)  Ben Berry: makes sense
(04/12 15:44:50)  JamieWithHNKey: I think it might have been Nearbearhood(or however it’s spelt) in the Beta of one of the URUs
(04/12 15:45:05)  Boywhith: Neighborhood
(04/12 15:45:16)  radioflux: Nearbearhood is brilliant :)
(04/12 15:45:18)  JamieWithHNKey: By the way hoods or NOT instants like other ages, they accuall spots in the cavern
(04/12 15:45:33)  Lady Ellen’s: have you ever tried crowd funding for uru as a supplement?
(04/12 15:45:34) From mTX17: neighborhood :)
(04/12 15:45:45)  LuMagic: wow nice lag
(04/12 15:45:46)  I.H.P:Max: nearbear’s lives in the Hoods
(04/12 15:45:50)  Korov’ev: the full term is used on Gehn
(04/12 15:46:02)  JamieWithHNKey: Cool :)
(04/12 15:46:28)  JamieWithHNKey: Belive it or not I can think of 2 or 3 more Heritage Nights :)
(04/12 15:46:36)  JamieWithHNKey: The neve one will be about the shards
(04/12 15:46:39)  Boywhith: :)
(04/12 15:46:40)  radioflux: bring em on!
(04/12 15:46:43)  I.H.P:Max: yeah… some Hoods have differing KI coordinates
(04/12 15:46:50)  ~ Kaaja ~: there is a difference in the names of the hoods as well…some have bug lamps and some have hands
(04/12 15:47:02)  ~ Kaaja ~: why is that?
(04/12 15:47:02)  Denizen: One is called a Seret
(04/12 15:47:06)  ~ Kaaja ~: there!!
(04/12 15:47:10)  ~ Kaaja ~: thats it
(04/12 15:47:13)  ~ Kaaja ~: but why ?
(04/12 15:47:23)  JamieWithHNKey: Seret is one of the first Hoods the DRC found
(04/12 15:47:24)  Boywhith: don’t forget the heektables. Most are malfunctioned.
(04/12 15:47:26)  Denizen: They’re the older ones
(04/12 15:48:03)  JamieWithHNKey: Was there a question back there I did not answer?
(04/12 15:48:03)  mTX17: boy: because these tables are running on XP :)
(04/12 15:48:24)  Ben Berry: fixing the heek tables must be a really low priority
(04/12 15:48:26)  Boywhith: lol!
(04/12 15:48:27)  JamieWithHNKey: LOL, funny you’d think that at tabet would run Windows 8!
(04/12 15:48:31)  ~ Kaaja ~: i have a question and i’m sure its dumb.. but here goes
(04/12 15:48:36)  Acorn1: Lady Ellen’s question was on crowdsourcing
(04/12 15:49:02)  Acorn1: To raise funds
(04/12 15:49:02)  ~ Kaaja ~: is there old content that was created that was never added here
(04/12 15:49:05)  ~ Kaaja ~: ?
(04/12 15:49:11)  JamieWithHNKey: Oh yes, people have asked that in the past and Cyan has never been up for it, I can’t remember why
(04/12 15:49:21)  Denizen: Most definitely… beyond gira is a great song too
(04/12 15:49:33)  JamieWithHNKey: Poke around on the forums for somone asking about a MOULa kickstarter
(04/12 15:49:47)  Ben Berry: probably would take too many resources from Obduction
(04/12 15:49:50)  Boywhith: splendid idea!
(04/12 15:50:15)  Acorn1: But we can donate via CAVCON
(04/12 15:50:25) From ~ Kaaja ~: is there old content that was never added here??
(04/12 15:50:35)  JamieWithHNKey: Keeja: old contenet, I really don’t know
(04/12 15:50:42)  Boywhith: But that is only enough for the runnig costs…
(04/12 15:50:51)  Boywhith: *running
(04/12 15:50:58)  ~ Kaaja ~: heres another brave question: whens the last time anyone here has donated to the game?
(04/12 15:50:58)  JamieWithHNKey: There are some T-shirts that had to be removed for copyirght reasons and there is no easter egg in the egg room
(04/12 15:51:28)  I.H.P:Max: Ka & Jamie… Rand mentioned some stuff that never madi it into MOULa, when he wisted Kire at some point
(04/12 15:51:34)  radioflux: That would be an Easter Egg Room
(04/12 15:51:43)  Acorn1: Chloe Rhodes is trying to re-incorporate the original content ie the ages that went into Myst 5
(04/12 15:51:45)  Denizen: I have… I think we need to inspire people again to make their alms
(04/12 15:51:45)  Korov’ev: quite a lot, in fact
(04/12 15:51:56)  I.H.P:Max: that might just been Age Concepts, not “ready made” stuff
(04/12 15:52:04)  JamieWithHNKey: The egg room has part of an easter egg in it in URU:CC/URU + PoTS
(04/12 15:52:05)  ~ Kaaja ~: reincorporate it where?
(04/12 15:52:06)  Denizen: concerts have in the past really raised morale and cavcon
(04/12 15:52:24)  Acorn1: a new shard I think
(04/12 15:52:57)  JamieWithHNKey: Last time anyone has donted to the game: I think thatsomething
(04/12 15:53:05)  Boywhith: Cyan must stimulate the donation by doing something.
(04/12 15:53:07)  JamieWithHNKey: ok werid bug where my text disapered
(04/12 15:53:24)  I.H.P:Max: a bit Laggy
(04/12 15:53:26)  JamieWithHNKey: Annyone most people probally don’t want to say when they last donated or how much
(04/12 15:53:26)  ~ Kaaja ~: game cooties
(04/12 15:53:28)  Ben Berry: yeah that happens sometimes
(04/12 15:53:34)  Denizen: I’m certain Cyan is contemplating here, but the energy is going into Obduction
(04/12 15:53:39)  JamieWithHNKey: I’m having no issue with lag but I’m far away from you
(04/12 15:54:03)  ventris: Cyan does not need to do anything. This game is only a vanity project for them
(04/12 15:54:16)  radioflux: like jamie said: MOULs is hobby for Cyan
(04/12 15:54:30)  I.H.P:Max: ah… not vanity, Rand’s Pet Creation!
(04/12 15:54:32)  Boywhith: That is the main problem. MOULa has a (very) low priority for years and that won’t change.
(04/12 15:54:34)  ~ Kaaja ~: we are its hobby.. a social experiment
(04/12 15:54:34)  Denizen: myst was once a hobby :)
(04/12 15:54:51)  Ben Berry: so true
(04/12 15:54:52) LuMagic sneezes
(04/12 15:54:54)  JamieWithHNKey: LOL@Kaaja
(04/12 15:55:00)  I.H.P:Max: I don’t wanna be anybodys “experiment”!
(04/12 15:55:04)  ~ Kaaja ~: YAY us!!
(04/12 15:55:10)  Ben Berry: lab rats
(04/12 15:55:19)  radioflux: I am my own experiment
(04/12 15:55:23) LuMagic sneezes
(04/12 15:55:25)  JamieWithHNKey: <insert Protal joke here>
(04/12 15:55:31)  Denizen: gezundheit
(04/12 15:55:35)  I.H.P:Max: I’ll be Lab Bunnie next week… tha OK?
(04/12 15:55:37)  Boywhith: I am an experiment of the real me, typing this.
(04/12 15:55:45)  Korov’ev: like the Stanford Prison? brrr…
(04/12 15:55:45)  Acorn1: Chocolate bunnie
(04/12 15:55:51)  radioflux: Chocolate Lab Bunny?
(04/12 15:56:21)  Ben Berry: eating cheese
(04/12 15:56:37)  Denizen: chocolate bunny is a great beer
(04/12 15:56:37)  mTX17: i am not a lab rat. the MCP teleported me to the grid
(04/12 15:56:37)  JamieWithHNKey: Ok before we start goofing off, anymore serries questionts?
(04/12 15:56:50)  JamieWithHNKey: LOL@mTX17!
(04/12 15:57:06)  ~ Kaaja ~: IF  and only IF we all gave our 401K and money stuffed in mattresses.. pawned grannys gold teeth..would there EVER be anything added?
(04/12 15:57:26)  I.H.P:Max: aaaaanyways….. yes. You know how many Shards there are atm. Jamie?
(04/12 15:57:28)  ~ Kaaja ~: can it ever be added too
(04/12 15:57:41)  Acorn1: Did you decided to re-run the second half of the fun house HN?
(04/12 15:57:52)  D’lago: The amount of money it takes to seriously fund the development of a game this large is far more than the Uru player base will ever be able to cough up.
(04/12 15:57:58)  JamieWithHNKey: One question at a time!
(04/12 15:58:14)  I.H.P:Max: let him answer…
(04/12 15:58:27)  I.H.P:Max: if he can… heh
(04/12 15:58:34)  JamieWithHNKey: I’m sure if we all give 10000 FRANKS then yes Cyan would add something
(04/12 15:58:40)  JamieWithHNKey: let’s get started
(04/12 15:58:43)  JamieWithHNKey: FRANK!
(04/12 15:58:45)  JamieWithHNKey: FRANK!
(04/12 15:58:47)  JamieWithHNKey: FRANK!
(04/12 15:58:49)  ~ Kaaja ~: frank
(04/12 15:58:50)  mTX17: haha
(04/12 15:58:50)  Ben Berry: noticed a bug with a pillar I have from Kadish tolesa. I try to return it to the alternate cavern but when I magically link there, all I get is a black screen with cursor functions still working to link back to my relto. Any way to fix this?
(04/12 15:59:02)  D’lago: They’d add Frank, the friendly NPC.
(04/12 15:59:11)  ~ Kaaja ~: :)
(04/12 15:59:12)  ventris: lol
(04/12 15:59:15)  mTX17: *g*
(04/12 15:59:16)  JamieWithHNKey: I’ll talk about your bug after the meeting \
(04/12 15:59:16)  Boywhith: No. That is evil Bahro magic.
(04/12 15:59:19)  UGLYDOG: FURT
(04/12 15:59:25)  Acorn1: Oh Chloe’s shard will be called DIRT.. The devblog is on http://www.thedeepcity.com
(04/12 15:59:46)  JamieWithHNKey: Acon1 asked me wather there will be a redo of Part II of last moneths event
(04/12 15:59:53)  ~ Kaaja ~: when will they do the beta for DIRT?
(04/12 15:59:57)  I.H.P:Max: ummm… did you all not attend AGM?
(04/12 16:00:05)  ~ Kaaja ~: ops..sorry jamie
(04/12 16:00:08)  JamieWithHNKey: I will talk to Stone next week and we will see WHEN that will take place
(04/12 16:00:13)  Korov’ev: off topic, people
(04/12 16:00:15)  JamieWithHNKey: It will be after easter offcosue :)
(04/12 16:00:23)  Acorn1: Yay
(04/12 16:00:27)  mTX17: thank you jamie
(04/12 16:00:53)  JamieWithHNKey: Next question, shards
(04/12 16:00:58)  I.H.P:Max: Jaime, a question… if you know how many Shards are “active” and developing stuff?
(04/12 16:01:00)  JamieWithHNKey: There are 5 I know of
(04/12 16:01:05)  I.H.P:Max: ah
(04/12 16:01:14)  JamieWithHNKey: fiveish
(04/12 16:01:18)  JamieWithHNKey: This shard!
(04/12 16:01:19) mTX17 wants to ask a question…
(04/12 16:01:23)  JamieWithHNKey: The Open Cave
(04/12 16:01:38)  JamieWithHNKey: The Lost City Of Adlantis(no new stuff)
(04/12 16:01:51)  JamieWithHNKey: Minkia testing shard(for TESTING)
(04/12 16:02:01)  mTX17: why do the developers not stick their heads and ideas ogether, to create one MOULa or URU or DIRT?
(04/12 16:02:07)  JamieWithHNKey: And my favoirt: The Gehn Shard
(04/12 16:02:10)  mTX17: together
(04/12 16:02:11)  janeerah: afk
(04/12 16:02:56)  JamieWithHNKey: mTX….:  I guess everonye has the own of idea of what people want to do
(04/12 16:02:59)  I.H.P:Max: all heads are not compatible with eachother, mT
(04/12 16:03:06)  mTX17: to combine could end in more benefit for all
(04/12 16:03:10)  JamieWithHNKey: This is a good and a bad ‘problem’ with Open Source
(04/12 16:03:19)  mTX17: okay
(04/12 16:03:21)  Boywhith: May I make a statement, Jamie?
(04/12 16:03:26)  JamieWithHNKey: I mean look at Linux
(04/12 16:03:42)  JamieWithHNKey: There are at least 12 well known Linux distros all slighlty diffrent
(04/12 16:03:47)  mTX17: jamie: i understand your point. but it is not compareable :)
(04/12 16:03:51)  I.H.P:Max: “love thy neighbor” … or thy fellow developer… not always easy
(04/12 16:03:51)  JamieWithHNKey: All that come with sligtly diffrent programs
(04/12 16:04:10)  Ben Berry: What do you think of the fan made version of this in Second Life?
(04/12 16:04:33)  JamieWithHNKey: I don’t know I don’t have Secound Life or care to get into it any time soon
(04/12 16:04:55) I.H.P:Max has never been to SL and never will…
(04/12 16:04:57)  ~ Kaaja ~: SL is not a shard
(04/12 16:05:00)  Acorn1: gehn and TOC do work together, use the same fixes etc
(04/12 16:05:04)  Boywhith: Not a good plan… it will empty the original MOULa.
(04/12 16:05:14)  ~ Kaaja ~: its a social gathering place and nothing more
(04/12 16:05:18)  Boywhith: We mast keep players here.
(04/12 16:05:25)  Korov’ev: there’s also Profound Atoll ;)
(04/12 16:05:27)  Boywhith: *must
(04/12 16:05:33)  mTX17: boy: yes, i agree with you
(04/12 16:05:42)  UGLYDOG: Or Marlboro
(04/12 16:06:06)  Jeyt Crighton: how much programming knowledge does one need to start making changes?
(04/12 16:06:15)  Boywhith: About one year ago, I heard a nice plan, i believe from DTC.
(04/12 16:06:16)  JamieWithHNKey: Good question!
(04/12 16:07:02)  Ben Berry: Have you heard of the Lost Art (Myst) project?
(04/12 16:07:02)  Boywhith: To expand the nexus.
(04/12 16:07:06)  JamieWithHNKey: I would say a lot as the code is not very well documented so you really have to know what your doing
(04/12 16:07:29)  Boywhith: One part: the original MOULa Ages and Hoods.
(04/12 16:07:35)  Jeyt Crighton: thanks
(04/12 16:07:36)  JamieWithHNKey: Jeyt if you want we can speak more aobut this afteweard
(04/12 16:07:44) I.H.P:Max wold emphasis .. really REALLY
(04/12 16:07:48)  Jeyt Crighton: sounds good
(04/12 16:07:53)  Boywhith: Second part links to all  ‘finished ‘ fan Ages!
(04/12 16:08:21)  Korov’ev: Sevkor, basically?
(04/12 16:08:23)  Boywhith: So all include, but separate from eachother, in MOULa!
(04/12 16:08:30)  JamieWithHNKey: Next question
(04/12 16:09:51)  I.H.P:Max: all in all, what ever we wish for …. Cyan and Only Cyan, can implement it into MOULa
(04/12 16:09:55)  ~ Kaaja ~: who brought pizza?
(04/12 16:10:13)  D’lago: I think Tom was supposed to bring the pizza.
(04/12 16:10:17)  Boywhith: I agree, Max.
(04/12 16:10:23) JamieWithHNKey looks around for the pizza guy
(04/12 16:10:37)  ~ Kaaja ~: whelp!  donations for pizza
(04/12 16:10:38)  JamieWithHNKey: I’ll be back
(04/12 16:10:47)  Denizen: lol
(04/12 16:10:51)  Boywhith: Jamie goes for pizza’s.
(04/12 16:11:11)  Ben Berry: has to keep up his strength
(04/12 16:11:21)  JamieWithHNKey: HO HO HO! Happy Easter! I have the Pizza!
(04/12 16:11:42)  JamieWithHNKey: HO HO HO!
(04/12 16:11:48)  I.H.P:Max: come and discuss all creative ideas you have than
(04/12 16:11:49) JamieWithHNKey delviers Pizza at the door!
(04/12 16:11:49)  Korov’ev: the easter chocolate pizza
(04/12 16:11:51)  Ben Berry: Santa?
(04/12 16:12:04)  radioflux: anyway, gtg
(04/12 16:12:04)  ~ Kaaja ~: hey jamie?
(04/12 16:12:06)  Acorn1: yum,thanks Jamie
(04/12 16:12:07)  Boywhith: Thanks, Jamie :))
(04/12 16:12:10)  JamieWithHNKey: Yes Santa! Why not!
(04/12 16:12:21)  radioflux: every HN teaches me something new – thanks Jamie!
(04/12 16:12:22)  ~ Kaaja ~: can i mention something here?
(04/12 16:12:35)  JamieWithHNKey: No problem radioflux!
(04/12 16:12:52) From ~ Kaaja ~: can i mention about an event?
(04/12 16:13:12) To ~ Kaaja ~: mention what about it?
(04/12 16:13:13)  ~ Kaaja ~: i want to see if we can get all shard creators there
(04/12 16:13:16)  ~ Kaaja ~: ops
(04/12 16:13:18) I.H.P:Max is waiting …. Ka?
(04/12 16:13:33)  ~ Kaaja ~: asking jamie if i can have a moment
(04/12 16:13:40) To Christian Walther: Arn’t you one of the programmers form OpenURU.Org?
(04/12 16:13:42)  ~ Kaaja ~: <.<
(04/12 16:13:55)  ~ Kaaja ~: cuz we are talking about shards and OOC
(04/12 16:13:55) From Christian Walther: yep, both OU and H-uru
(04/12 16:14:06)  I.H.P:Max: that would be great if we can get all of the gathered!
(04/12 16:14:08) To Christian Walther: Can I tell eveyone that your here?
(04/12 16:14:13) From Christian Walther: sure
(04/12 16:14:22)  I.H.P:Max: but can they be in the same room, all at once??
(04/12 16:14:24)  ~ Kaaja ~: on the 24th the IH will have an open house of sorts to invite all who do things inspired by the game
(04/12 16:14:46)  JamieWithHNKey: Ehem Christian Walther, one of the URU developers is here, if you want to ask him nerdy stuff about the code you could
(04/12 16:15:05)  Christian Walther: I can’t promise I’ll be able to answer though :)
(04/12 16:15:19)  I.H.P:Max: 24th of April….. International’s Hood!
(04/12 16:15:27)  Christian Walther: I’m far from an expert on Plasma.
(04/12 16:15:46)  JamieWithHNKey: Oh yes one more thing!
(04/12 16:16:11)  UGLYDOG: universal insatisfaction, females need to control someone to be happy
(04/12 16:16:46)  ~ Kaaja ~: that was random O.o
(04/12 16:16:50)  Locarno: How ture
(04/12 16:16:53)  JamieWithHNKey: Anyone want to have a ‘privateish’ session with one of the ‘Plasma explerts’(i.e. AdamJoson), if your interesting let me know and I’ll see IF I can get a hold of one
(04/12 16:17:05)  I.H.P:Max: hmm… my Ignore List seems empty
(04/12 16:17:42)  Boywhith: Keep it that way, Max :)
(04/12 16:18:33)  JamieWithHNKey: Ok I now offically call this meeting to close, thank you everyone for comeing if you want to speak with my in private I’ll be by the fountian
(04/12 16:18:37) …Chat.log stopped.