Hertiage Nihgt V Part II

Here is the chatlog from the chat on Gehn:

(05/18 15:32:50) Chat.log started…
(05/18 15:36:59)  Zeke365: I was wondering something is it possible to have this graphic level incorapted into MOULa cause I think it would give MOUla a nice facelift even if no new content is added?
(05/18 15:37:09)  Whilyam: Greetings.
(05/18 15:37:40)  Whilyam: Yeah, we need a high res texture pack for this Minecraft server, Hoikas
(05/18 15:37:55)  Adam {Hoikas}: [trollface.jpg]
(05/18 15:38:08)  jamie: the graphics level?
(05/18 15:38:21)  Alryn: Hi
(05/18 15:38:37)  jamie: It’s possible to put any changes on this shard into MOULa, how much work is involved is anouther question.
(05/18 15:38:50)  jamie: *from this shard
(05/18 15:39:27)  jamie: Cyan also has to approve and have time to put into MOULa
(05/18 15:39:35)  jamie: You could also report it to Adam

(05/18 15:40:54)  Zeke365: why do you like the ghen shard Jamie some reasons that might surpurise us?
(05/18 15:41:53)  jamie: The Gehn shard has the newest/grest toys without being silly like TOC
(05/18 15:42:09)  Whilyam: TOC?
(05/18 15:42:28)  jamie: like the text changing colours for PMs, proper widecreen and high quitly fan ages :)
(05/18 15:42:32)  jamie: The Open Cave
(05/18 15:42:43)  Acorn: but Jamie you might switch loyalties to DIRT I see from the chatlog yesterday
(05/18 15:43:05)  Zeke365: yes I really want to see DIRT shard

(05/18 15:43:06)  radioflux: ooh I do have a question
(05/18 15:43:44)  radioflux: are there any plans to get the Gahreesen wall working here?
(05/18 15:44:00)  jamie: That a question for Adam
(05/18 15:44:04)  janaba: TOC is MOSS based like OpenUru’s Minkata I believe
(05/18 15:44:22)  jamie: It might be, though the server backend does not make a whole lot of diffence
(05/18 15:44:30)  Adam {Hoikas}: there are vague plans regarding the wall
(05/18 15:44:40)  radioflux: hehe
(05/18 15:45:00)  Adam {Hoikas}: We looked at what TOC did and read a lot of the feedback and decided we needed to spend some time squashing bugs before unleashing it here
(05/18 15:45:05)  Whilyam: Vague are your only kinds of plans. :P
(05/18 15:45:07)  jamie: I prefer the H-URU server since I can acctually get it to run and it’s simpler
(05/18 15:45:12)  Adam {Hoikas}: that hasn’t happened quite yet
(05/18 15:45:25)  Adam {Hoikas}: =P
(05/18 15:45:36)  radioflux: yeah, the only good plan is a vague plan
(05/18 15:45:37)  Acorn: while we’re talkiig of fan clubs, janaba and I are fans of Elodea – mighht it come to Gehn?
(05/18 15:45:47)  Whilyam: brb, need to unstick myself
(05/18 15:45:48)  Zeke365: so it goes TOC to Ghen to Miknna, to MOULa
(05/18 15:46:05)  jamie: I wouden’t say that
(05/18 15:46:06)  Whilyam (I’m on the surface, be back in a minute):  
(05/18 15:46:35) Adam {Hoikas} thinks a minute
(05/18 15:46:58)  Zeke365: I have played around on deep island shard a little bit could you tell us how that came to be?
(05/18 15:47:07)  janaba: The Wall on TOC works but has many bugs still, yes
(05/18 15:47:46)  radioflux: the TOC wall is not exaclty ready for release, no
(05/18 15:47:47)  Adam {Hoikas}: Elodea is a nice age in that it actually gives folks something to do–it’s not quite polished to the level I’m looking for though. We’re going to be hosting an event in the near future about that topic, actually
(05/18 15:47:59)  janaba: new stuff to consider goes to Minkata to be tested and then e v e n t a l l y  mayyybeeee to MOULa lol
(05/18 15:48:01)  jamie: Cool :)
(05/18 15:48:10)  janaba: eventually
(05/18 15:48:31)  jamie: Adam would be able to more correctly answer your deep island question then I would
(05/18 15:48:31)  Adam {Hoikas}: if someone wants to spend the effort to move it over to Minkata ;)
(05/18 15:48:48)  Adam {Hoikas}: Deep Island…
(05/18 15:49:15)  Adam {Hoikas}: it started up between MOUL closing and MOULa opening
(05/18 15:49:18)  janaba: ohh, poor Deledrius lol
(05/18 15:49:43)  janaba: I wouldn’t want to convert and polish the Elodea universe lol
(05/18 15:49:44)  Adam {Hoikas}: at the time, the only public way to play Uru online was on a shard run by an unscrupulous individual
(05/18 15:49:51)  Acorn: yes,there were lots of people saying that visually Elodea wasn’t up to scratch so i’m not surprised at your answer, Adam, but polishing it would presumably be a huge task..
(05/18 15:50:30)  Adam {Hoikas}: so diafero came to me with the idea for Deep Island–it would host all the fan ages and be available for anyone who registered on the GoW forum
(05/18 15:50:35)  jamie: Lets let Adam finsih his deep island thing before fludding the screen with text
(05/18 15:50:59)  Adam {Hoikas}: I was glad that I wouldn’t be the one doing the work, and promptly rubber-stamped it =P
(05/18 15:51:32)  janaba: I’d say just the conversion of those immensly huge ages (4 actually) is already an arduous task, oh my :-)
(05/18 15:52:02)  Zeke365: One thing that always has confused me is this shard runs off MOUla shard yet is different server does that mean its another branch from the main server/
(05/18 15:52:19)  Adam {Hoikas}: it gets easier every time–the GoMePub is basically ready to go, there are just a few bugs…
(05/18 15:52:29)  Acorn: oooh!
(05/18 15:52:31)  janaba: lol
(05/18 15:52:43)  janaba: awesome :-)
(05/18 15:52:45)  Zeke365: nice squah those bugs
(05/18 15:53:02)  jamie: the current MOUL shards servers are totaly unrelated
(05/18 15:53:14)  Adam {Hoikas}: Zeke365, we really only depend on the MOULa game data (ages) because it’s not exactly legal for us to let you download that from us
(05/18 15:53:36)  jamie: So if MOULa(the cyan shard) went down right now, it would not effect us.
(05/18 15:53:58)  Zeke365: okay
(05/18 15:54:27)  jamie: The hope is that someday you won’t have to copy data from one shard to anouther to make it work, but that involes get promistion from Cyan which like other things is being worked on…
(05/18 15:54:39)  janaba: That’s really great isn’t it?
(05/18 15:54:50)  janaba: that sounds like independence :-)
(05/18 15:55:05)  Adam {Hoikas}: the new installer sort of makes it easy, but there are bugs (of course >.<)
(05/18 15:55:42)  Acorn: is it true that you pay for the server yourself, Adam – you don’t seem to ask for donations…..
(05/18 15:56:01)  Adam {Hoikas}: right, the shard, forum, wiki, etc all run on the same server
(05/18 15:56:52)  janaba: in case MOULa would really go down resp. being taken one day will ewxplorers be allowed to further on use the MOULs data, is that part of being Open Source? or would there have to be other new agreements to be contracted or so?
(05/18 15:57:04)  janaba: hahaha Whilyam
(05/18 15:57:49)  janaba: but it’s really awesome that those shards are really self contained and maintained etc. :-)
(05/18 15:57:56)  Adam {Hoikas}: if MOULa were to go down permanently, we would probably ship the files anyway and hope no one cries too much
(05/18 15:58:09)  Zeke365: which brings me to another question in open source you said cyan only realased part of it are we waiting for the open source to be opened fully?
(05/18 15:58:22)  janaba: yeah, ok, like that Adam :-)
(05/18 15:58:37)  Adam {Hoikas}: all of the code is open source, and we’ve got everything we’re going to get there
(05/18 15:58:50)  janaba: inofficially Cyan would agree, officially maybe not, depends on their dependences I suppose lol
(05/18 15:59:03)  Adam {Hoikas}: the content (ages, such as Relto and Teledahn) are not open sourced
(05/18 15:59:16)  Zeke365: would cyan ever deny a fan age?
(05/18 15:59:33)  Adam {Hoikas}: what we are working towards is permission to be able to “ship” that content on our own shards
(05/18 15:59:33)  janaba: dependencies … I write too fast lol
(05/18 15:59:34) From Acorn: that might work, yes
(05/18 15:59:38)  Zeke365: because there canon right
(05/18 15:59:45)  Adam {Hoikas}: I don’t know what Cyan would or wouldn’t do
(05/18 16:00:45)  Adam {Hoikas}: I do know that if you can get on Gehn, Cyan shouldn’t be able to find much content-wise to prevent you from being on MOULa
(05/18 16:00:47)  janaba: yeah, the independant redistribution, that’s important and would make everything easier for all involved
(05/18 16:03:07)  Zeke365: I was wonder in the mikkinta shard how many fans do you have testing on it other than Mach, adam, and others?
(05/18 16:03:41)  jamie: I don’t know you would have to speak to one of the admins
(05/18 16:03:53)  janaba: ohh, there are some more like me, Acorn, Tai’lahr, Christian, Mac_Fife etc. etc. :-)
(05/18 16:04:00)  jamie: I think they are at least 50 people signed up, since that many people showed up to a party once.
(05/18 16:04:11)  jamie: Me!
(05/18 16:04:11)  Acorn: anyone can plan on minkata and test it that way, if that’s what you mean Zeke
(05/18 16:04:12)  janaba: right
(05/18 16:04:19)  Acorn: *play
(05/18 16:04:28)  Adam {Hoikas}: we have 1094 active avatars
(05/18 16:04:33)  radioflux: I’m signed up, but don’t have a working install now
(05/18 16:04:37)  jamie: on minkata?
(05/18 16:04:41)  Adam {Hoikas}: on Gehn
(05/18 16:04:46)  jamie: cool :)
(05/18 16:04:53)  Zeke365: I just go back and forth on it
(05/18 16:05:00)  janaba: yeah, the more the merrier :-)
(05/18 16:05:57)  Zeke365: cause those feathers would something in the future moula so do I want to spoil myself but then again it another way to help the community
(05/18 16:07:10)  jamie: Are they any other questionts?
(05/18 16:07:32)  Zeke365: well all have questions after we leave
(05/18 16:07:38)  radioflux: how many fan ages are there on Gehn?
(05/18 16:07:43)  janaba: awww
(05/18 16:07:52)  jamie: three I think.
(05/18 16:08:00)  Acorn: what’s the best guess for when Gehn 20 will arrive?
(05/18 16:08:08)  Adam {Hoikas}: 3 now, 4 soon
(05/18 16:08:15)  janaba: ;-)
(05/18 16:08:19)  radioflux: nice
(05/18 16:08:27)  Adam {Hoikas}: I have Gehn 20 pencilled in for June 5th
(05/18 16:08:36)  jamie: Cool!
(05/18 16:08:40)  janaba: great!!!!
(05/18 16:08:50)  Acorn: lovely!
(05/18 16:09:08)  Zeke365: so will you be doing a guild of writer rework simuliar to what the GOM pub is doing?
(05/18 16:09:08)  Adam {Hoikas}: and just glancing at all of the changes, it promises to be another 3 hour update =P
(05/18 16:09:24)  Acorn: livetream?
(05/18 16:09:31)  Acorn: *tream
(05/18 16:09:32)  Adam {Hoikas}: Tweek is working on one in his spare time
(05/18 16:09:43)  Zeke365: good thing I have a fast compiuter
(05/18 16:09:49)  Acorn: *stream
(05/18 16:09:58)  janaba: on a livestream? Tweek I mean
(05/18 16:10:02)  Adam {Hoikas}: I was thinking about doing a livestream. There are a lot of moving parts in this update, so I’m probably going to need to have Deledrius on a hangout ;)
(05/18 16:10:18)  Adam {Hoikas}: Tweek is working on a new Writers’ Pub
(05/18 16:10:31)  Zeke365: what is the google hangout seems to be the new thing
(05/18 16:10:51)  janaba: ahh, yes, of course he’s working on the pub
(05/18 16:10:53)  Zeke365: that and twitch TV
(05/18 16:10:59)  janaba: and it looks great already
(05/18 16:11:12)  jamie: It appears to be Google’s verstion of Skype
(05/18 16:11:20)  Adam {Hoikas}: wait until you see the GoMePub ;)
(05/18 16:11:30)  Zeke365: so are all the pubs going to be redone to look differnt from one another?
(05/18 16:11:31)  janaba: He’s celebrating his birthday on the 30th of Maybtw, Tweek I mean :-)
(05/18 16:11:34)  radioflux: the best writing gets done in pubs
(05/18 16:12:11)  janaba: hihi
(05/18 16:12:37)  Adam {Hoikas}: I doubt it–Doobes wanted a new GoMePub, and Tweek hates the fact that all of the Pubs are clones, but they’re just interested in fixing their own pubs for now
(05/18 16:13:35)  janaba: yes that’s enough of work to be done already lol and is a great start to be sure :-)
(05/18 16:15:47)  Zeke365: so what is your vison for the ghen shard adam that people will take away with them?
(05/18 16:16:06)  janaba: good and nice question
(05/18 16:16:45)  Adam {Hoikas}: what we’re trying to do is slowly polish and make Uru better (less bugs, better performance, more shinies, etc)
(05/18 16:17:11)  Zeke365: then someday incorpate into MOULa
(05/18 16:17:20)  Adam {Hoikas}: we’re not too interested at throwing the kitchen sink at the wall and seeing what sticks
(05/18 16:17:31)  Adam {Hoikas}: if someone wants to take the time to move things over to MOULa ;)
(05/18 16:17:32)  janaba: lol
(05/18 16:18:02)  Adam {Hoikas}: (background: when I first started playing URU, there were twenty shards…)
(05/18 16:18:37)  Zeke365: would love to see that but condsidering I no programer but I can least try to learn the ins and outs
(05/18 16:18:42)  jamie: I should warn you as Gehn(and H-URU) get father and father from MOULa/Minkia moveing things from one to the other wil lget harder
(05/18 16:19:49)  janaba: I’d say I should be considered as a priviledge for MOULa to have the shard owners and programers etc. doing all the work and providing everything for free :-)
(05/18 16:19:57)  Adam {Hoikas}: by the time Minkata was up and ready to accept changes, it was already hard. it’s gone from “hard” to “potentially very, very difficult or nearly impossible”
(05/18 16:20:31)  Adam {Hoikas}: unless you have endless patience (which I don’t have =P)
(05/18 16:20:32)  janaba: it should be considered
(05/18 16:20:45)  jamie: Right! since Minkia is still ‘locked down’ issent it?
(05/18 16:21:06)  Adam {Hoikas}: I think they’re accepting changes again, but no one has submitted any
(05/18 16:21:30)  Zeke365: the reason is because as right now MOULa looks a little aged no pun intended and if MOUla was upgraded to this quailty it might interst people and give moula a facelift it truly needs
(05/18 16:21:40)  jamie: Probally since it’s more interesting too work with H-URU(and easeir)
(05/18 16:21:46)  Adam {Hoikas}: meanwhile, most of what we’re doing is like putting the top on a pyramid–a pyramid that doesn’t even exist on MOULa
(05/18 16:22:12)  jamie: Good analogy
(05/18 16:22:30)  janaba: yep :-)
— I asked Adam a question ‘off the record’ here. —
(05/18 16:32:43)  Zeke365: if you were not at the international hood meeting I heard greydragon say there they have other projects other than obuduction and MOula
(05/18 16:33:04)  Adam {Hoikas}: yeah, they have some interesting things baking
(05/18 16:33:22)  Acorn: can you tell us?
(05/18 16:33:37)  Zeke365: wonder how long its been cooking and when they be able to pull out of the oven?
(05/18 16:33:50)  janaba: no he wasn’t specific, just teasing us lol
(05/18 16:34:11)  radioflux: I have a feeling it would unwise to hold your breath, though
(05/18 16:34:16)  Adam {Hoikas}: well, you know there are a lot of irons in the fire what with Sevkor and that sort of deal
(05/18 16:34:23)  Zeke365: sort of like a teaser trailer for the community
(05/18 16:34:59)  Zeke365: where does sevkor come from anywahse?
(05/18 16:35:05)  Acorn: Sevkor has been nearly there for so long!
(05/18 16:35:32)  Adam {Hoikas}: matthornb has been working on it in blender
(05/18 16:35:44)  janaba: matthornb is working on it, in collaboration with Karkadann
(05/18 16:36:01)  janaba: he’s uploaded some videos and pictures at least
(05/18 16:36:08)  janaba: and posted
(05/18 16:37:00)  janaba: itm seems to be quite huge from the dimensions you can see so far and it looked good so far
(05/18 16:37:23)  Zeke365: sometime I wished I had spent more time studing gemoerty in school
(05/18 16:37:49)  Acorn: Karkadann hasn’t posted about it – has he really got to work on it yet?
(05/18 16:38:00)  janaba: it looked as if much work went into it, very detailed, don’t ask me for quality and lighting etc, for that you are the specialists :-)
(05/18 16:38:02)  Adam {Hoikas}: AFAIK he hasn’t received anything
(05/18 16:38:12)  Acorn: hmmm
(05/18 16:38:44)  radioflux: he did ask for nominations for fan ages, though
(05/18 16:39:08)  janaba: yeah, he always asks some of those questions lol
(05/18 16:39:14)  Acorn: but he’s working on backgammon!
(05/18 16:39:18)  Zeke365: I have been on deep island shard and have studied how the fan ages were done and have a few ideas of me own
(05/18 16:39:47)  jamie: Looks like Adam crashed
(05/18 16:39:51)  radioflux: yup
(05/18 16:40:01)  jamie: Any other questionts?
(05/18 16:40:09)  janaba: oh, Adam logged out or poofed?
(05/18 16:40:14)  Zeke365: when the next heratige night?
(05/18 16:40:18)  Acorn: this has been fun, jamie!
(05/18 16:40:44)  Acorn: he’s back
(05/18 16:40:50)  jamie: I don’t know, I usally plan the next one at the end of the month
(05/18 16:41:02)  janaba: oh, yes, I think that was a great, informative and fun session, Jamie :-)
(05/18 16:41:22)  Acorn: what’s the next topic?
(05/18 16:41:24) jamie is typing
(05/18 16:41:44)  jamie: I’m not sure atm
(05/18 16:42:03)  janaba: ohh, you did so many already, take your time Jamie :-)
(05/18 16:42:12)  janaba: wb Adam :-)
(05/18 16:42:21)  Adam {Hoikas}: ty
(05/18 16:42:40)  jamie: Oh yes! I remember! the next Hertiage Night night will be on famous forum threads
(05/18 16:42:53)  janaba: we’re almost at the end and I’ve said it was a fun and informative session, thanks to you Jamie, Adam and all else :-)
(05/18 16:42:55) janaba cheers
(05/18 16:42:58)  jamie: including some MOUL(2007) ones like ‘Suprice in Minkinia)
(05/18 16:43:03) Acorn cheers
(05/18 16:43:06)  Adam {Hoikas}: =P
(05/18 16:43:13) Adam {Hoikas} vaguely remembers that one
(05/18 16:43:26)  janaba: hihi, on famous forum threads … yeah!!!
(05/18 16:43:28)  Adam {Hoikas}: you should do “Ending the Nonsense” as well [trollface.jpg]
(05/18 16:43:37)  Acorn: which forums are you covering, Jamie?
(05/18 16:43:45)  radioflux: Heritage Night goes meta?
(05/18 16:44:10) janaba roars with laughter
(05/18 16:44:11)  jamie: It has allready, since the last 2 meeting where OOC
(05/18 16:44:13)  Zeke365: well I gotta go see ya all later
(05/18 16:44:22)  Adam {Hoikas}: has teh funs
(05/18 16:44:25)  Acorn: bye Zeke
(05/18 16:44:30)  radioflux: bye zeke
(05/18 16:44:35)  Alryn: bye
(05/18 16:44:36)  jamie: bye
(05/18 16:44:43)  radioflux: I hae to go to, btw
(05/18 16:44:51)  jamie: bye radioflux
(05/18 16:44:52)  janaba: bye bye Zeke :-)
(05/18 16:44:55)  radioflux: time flies etc
(05/18 16:45:00)  jamie: here gone allready
(05/18 16:45:04)  Acorn: bye, Radioflux
(05/18 16:45:12)  radioflux: thanks Jamie and Adam
(05/18 16:45:18)  janaba: bye radioflux :-)
(05/18 16:45:20)  radioflux: bye
(05/18 16:45:29)  jamie: no problem radioflux
(05/18 16:45:29)  radioflux (I’m on the surface, be back in a minute):  
(05/18 16:45:33)  Alryn: thank you all
(05/18 16:45:43)  jamie: Well I gues this is the end then
(05/18 16:45:49) …Chat.log stopped.

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